Speedwell Oval

[TimBock]

New to the forum. Finishing up my 57 Ragtop that should FINALLY be complete in Feb. Lots of performance and one-off mods on the car. Excited to really begin driving it.

Also, looking forward to learning from you all. Will post more pics shortly.

Tim

[Lazarus]

nice to have you. was that the feature from Hot VW's couple issues ago?btw how do you like the front suspension? im building a 62 rag for my little girl to drive when she gets old enough. im really wanting some first hand info on those a-arms.

[effvee]

Hi Tim, very nice work and taste:D. Concerning you ignition system, what type is it? Next I see that you have a blow through, why use the "T" induction instead of the "Y" induction? Lastly are you carb in injection?

The reason for the many questions, my project is in the future. If I can up day the things that I have not bought, the better for me. Thanks.

[Luismj]

Welcome! One of the best construction i have ever seen.... Please tell us about the front suspension.

[jmd]

I like what I am seeing here... High quality build.

Must know more about that front and rear suspension setup.
Looks really good man.

jmd

[Sandeep]

Hi Tim,

Welcome to the forums. Now that you've posted some details on your project, get ready for the many questions that are sure to follow.

I'm really looking forward to a handling report on that front suspension.

Sandeep

[MX67]

Welcome Tim!

I can see some really nice fabrication over here :eek:

And I'm also wondering about this a-arm suspension on the front. How much it cost, how well it performs, who produces it...
:)

[NO_H2O]

Welcome to the GL forum. I have seen that engine before. Is Chico the builder?

[volkdent]

Nice to see you on here Tim, I read the article in HVW thoroughly!

Yes, the front end is the big question. You and I are the only people on this forum to have them, but we are brothers from another mother, as I had mine built years ago and it is a one-off. I like the way mine works, but it's not completely done(no roll bar) and it's not for sale. I've had a lot of requests for purchase over the years, only to have to send them to Eyeball Engineering and more recently, my preference, Mendeola. I think you've got a great setup there and I'm wondering if it works as good as it looks!

Jason

[TimBock]

nice to have you. was that the feature from Hot VW's couple issues ago?btw how do you like the front suspension? im building a 62 rag for my little girl to drive when she gets old enough. im really wanting some first hand info on those a-arms.

Thanks......yes, it is the car that was featured in the November issue of Hot VW's and also got a very generous spread in the December issue of Ultra VW's.

I will have to admit that the man/builder behind this project is Kevin Zagar at Mendeola Signature Motors. Although, I grew up with VW's and my knowledge and talents are slowly increasing I certainly am not the expert nor will I ever pretend to be. I am a student in the "VW forum of life" and Kevin has been very patient with me through this 2 year build. I would direct all to the two articles in the mags for the background on me, Kevin and Mendeola.

The car is in final tune stage as we speak (both motor and suspension). The plan is to be done by Feb and then get the car out to El Toro to lay down some real numbers that we can share with all (youtube included). Kevin is very optimistic and if it does what he suspects it will........YOWZER:dance:

I promise I will do my best to answer any questions that come up. Won't be able to get to this thread on a daily basis but eventually will.

Check out www.mendeolamotors.com for information on the S2 Performance Chassis. They actually sell them separately: front, back or the entire S2 chassis which I opted for (along with the MD-5 Tranny). With 2 maps on the 2332 Turbo EFI at 250 - 300 hp I shouldn't have to worry about blowing up the tranny:)

Man, nice Daddy building the 62 for your daughter.....gunna be a lucky girl indeed.

Tim

[TimBock]

I will post more pics and get the information requested shortly.
Thanks,
Tim

[chug_A_bug]

Wow great job.. I also read the hot Vw's over and over ;)
keep the info and pics coming...

Chris.

[TimBock]

Hi Tim, very nice work and taste:D. Concerning you ignition system, what type is it? Next I see that you have a blow through, why use the "T" induction instead of the "Y" induction? Lastly are you carb in injection?

The reason for the many questions, my project is in the future. If I can up day the things that I have not bought, the better for me. Thanks.

Redline/Weber Crank Fire EFI System w/ CB performance Hats, a T3-T4 Turbo. The "T" induction was chosen by the engine builder, Chico at CPR so not certain basis behind it:o

Good luck with your project!

[coolrydes]

Hello,

I thought I would stop by and introduce myself. I'm Kevin "Coolrydes" Zagar
and I have been in the VW seen for well over 20 years. I have been working for Mendeola Signature Motors building cars and working with Mike Mendeola to bring high quality performance VW items into production.

Tim's SPEEDWELL Oval was the first to receive our S2-T1 suspension that was original developed for our S2 Meyers Manxters. After my first test drive in one of our S2 Manxters I knew this suspension had to be offered to the VW guys. After a few changes in our cad designs we were able to fit it under anything type one based (bugs, ghias, and kit cars). When we tested our original S2 Manxter with a huge Subi 6 cylinder hanging out the back we acheived a lateral "G" force of 1.05 g's and a ride quality of a new sports car. The days of the bouncy lowered bugs are numbered.

So check it out and let me know if you have any questions about his car and or our suspension kits and complete chassis.

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[TimBock]

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[TimBock]

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[coolrydes]

This is one of my favorite shots of your car ever....

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[Wally]

It looks like the drive shafts are not perpendicular to the box. Is the tranny so very short or does it widen the wheel base?
Whats the reason for this?

[coolrydes]

It looks like the drive shafts are not perpendicular to the box. Is the tranny so very short or does it widen the wheel base?
Whats the reason for this?

Good eye, most people do not catch that. The reason for the shaft having a slight angle to them is because the ring gear is about 2 inches larger then the standard vw ring gear. The trasaxle is moved forward to keep the mounting point on the bell housing in the same place as a stock vw unit. Hope that clears it up.
FYI: A standard 930 Porsche CV can take up to 22 degrees of angle with out harm. These in the picture have 7 degrees i beleave.

[Wally]

FYI: A standard 930 Porsche CV can take up to 22 degrees of angle with out harm. These in the picture have 7 degrees i beleave.

Thanks for that. I wasn't really worried about the CV's at all BTW ;)
I still run Bus CV's at about your angle (guesstimate), but my tranny is to the other side and still holding up to the torture (500Nm) I throw at them... (knock on wood)

[Scotts73SB]

Hey thats not a transmission..thats artwork!
Great shots and great work on the car..thanks for sharing!

[TimBock]

:)

[TimBock]

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Really wanted to make sure when you looked directly through the quarter window not to see the roll bar.....I'm happy with how it turned out. Also, it's completely removable:D

[Humble]

Looks good underneath but I'm guessing the cage is just for show? The weld a couple inches up, mid pipe, on your main hoop wouldn't pass scrutiny, and the rear down bars going to the firewall shouldn't have bends in them. I just want to make sure this is a street only cage before you get too far into it :)

Other than that the work is amazing!

[coolrydes]

Actualy humble,
The cage was built to spec. I'm not sure why in the photos it looks like mild but it is actualy DOM 120 wall ....

[Humble]

.120 and I'm guessing 1.5" dia? Plenty strong for a beetle and it will probably be okay, but it looks like the main hoop leg was cut too short then re-welded in that first picture. Even if that's not the case it would never be approved officially because of that weld.

I'm looking at it from a racing point of view and not a street point of view so don't be offended. I've spent time with different touring car teams and have shadowed many scrutineers before building my own car. I'm fairly familiar with the FIA spec cage designs but I'm also not perfect.

As a street cage, it will certainly stiffen up the body quite a bit, and I love the fact that you can't see it through the window. I've done cage work myself and I can appreciate what a pain it can be to bend and notch tubing correctly. Are you going to tie the cage to the suspension at all?

[coolrydes]

[QUOTE=Humble;79408].120 and I'm guessing 1.5" dia? Plenty strong for a beetle and it will probably be okay, but it looks like the main hoop leg was cut too short then re-welded in that first picture. Even if that's not the case it would never be approved officially because of that weld.

What you see there is a coupler that is with in the specs. Where the cage meets the fire wall there is 1/8 plate on both sides. We are going to be racing this car in the future and will find out what the tech inspector feels.
As for tying it into the supsension, no. That is why we went to the extents that we did to make it a structal part of the body. I'f you look over the chassis you'll find it uses our factory installed suspension set up.

Oh yea, I'm not offened I just don't want to undermine the thoughts of this over the top car in anyway. Hope you understand.......

[Humble]

I totally understand, it's your baby and I have have one too so I know the feeling :)

BTW, I'm crazy jealous of your setup and when you guys get a super beetle front setup ready I will upgrade my own car with the mendeola gear. I'm not sure if I could modify to run a wider track (56.5" front track, 67.5" oustside is my current setup) but it would be worth looking into.

[TimBock]

3rd brake light tucked under the rear vents


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installing the rear back up LED lights in the old bumper override holes


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continuing with the "holy" theme on the door handles:)


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Pedal assembly custom made by Pedal Works


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[volkdent]

[QUOTE=Humble;79408].120 and I'm guessing 1.5" dia? Plenty strong for a beetle and it will probably be okay, but it looks like the main hoop leg was cut too short then re-welded in that first picture. Even if that's not the case it would never be approved officially because of that weld.

What you see there is a coupler that is with in the specs. Where the cage meets the fire wall there is 1/8 plate on both sides. We are going to be racing this car in the future and will find out what the tech inspector feels.
As for tying it into the supsension, no. That is why we went to the extents that we did to make it a structal part of the body. I'f you look over the chassis you'll find it uses our factory installed suspension set up.

Oh yea, I'm not offened I just don't want to undermine the thoughts of this over the top car in anyway. Hope you understand.......

What Humble is saying is that for autocross or HPDEs you are fine, but if in fact you wanted to actually race this thing against other cars or do TT, the rules for most of the major sanctioning bodies state that there cannot be a bend in the bar that connects the main hoop to the rear. There also needs to be a diagonal bar that travels from the drivers head area of the main hoop to the floor area on the passenger side amongst other additional bars. We just don't want you to find out too late that you've got an under-engineered roll cage for road racing if you can catch it up front. I think she's too nice to race anyway! Hate to see something happen to such an amazing vehicle.

As far as the coupler is concerned, I'm pretty sure it's not going to fly on the main hoop, but I've got my fingers crossed on the diagonal, as I need to have some parts of mine removable to, the engine comes out through the passenger door!

Here's a link with the NASA rules:
document page 72(page number 59)

NASA Rule Book (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf)

Jason

[coolrydes]

Oh,
I stand corrected. I did not know about the bends. I did know about the diagnal bar. At anyrate is was installed to help in the event of a roll over just as added safety and a place to mount the shoulder belts. I agree shes too pretty to race, but Tim the owner can only think about how badly he's going to spank the cars in his area. I would love to see the face of the guy in his high dollar exotic when he gets blown away by a VW Beetle.... :)

[Eatoniashoprat]

I would love to see the face of the guy in his high dollar exotic when he gets blown away by a VW Beetle.... :)

I think you've pin pointed the entire reason behind this great forum :). Keep up the great work!

Mike

[TimBock]

Custom fabricated fire wall


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Custom fabricated and hinged dash backing with 2 LED lights that go on when hood is opened


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Custom Amp box with 800 watts and 2 built-in fans for cooling


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[dub_crazee]

very nice attention to detail on this car - love it keep up the good work

[TimBock]

very nice attention to detail on this car - love it keep up the good work

Thanks, man........we are having fun with it so far. Looking forward to an AWESOME 2011:)

[Birdman69]

Hi Tim,

Love the car! Would you be kind enough to measure the front track for us?
I want the mendeola front end but don't want to bother Kevin.
I think you have 17x7 Et 40 wheels from memory so a front track measurement will help me figure out how the front end will go with my 944 rear arms.

thanks mate.

[coolrydes]

Hi Tim,

Love the car! Would you be kind enough to measure the front track for us?
I want the mendeola front end but don't want to bother Kevin.
I think you have 17x7 Et 40 wheels from memory so a front track measurement will help me figure out how the front end will go with my 944 rear arms.

thanks mate.

Kevin here from Mendeola.
To save Tim from having to crawl under his car to get a measurement here are the track widths front and rear. Front 51 3/4 inches, with 17x7 wheels and 195/40/17 tires Rear 52 3/4 inches, with 17x8 wheels and 215/50/17 tires.

[Birdman69]

Kevin here from Mendeola.
To save Tim from having to crawl under his car to get a measurement here are the track widths front and rear. Front 51 3/4 inches, with 17x7 wheels and 195/40/17 tires Rear 52 3/4 inches, with 17x8 wheels and 215/50/17 tires.

Thanks kevin, I assume that is wheel centre to wheel centre.
Also, is it a golf mk1 rack that i need?
Any pics so i can ensure i get the right one?

[coolrydes]

Thanks kevin, I assume that is wheel centre to wheel centre.
Also, is it a golf mk1 rack that i need?
Any pics so i can ensure i get the right one?

Yes, wheel center to wheel center

Yes that is a mk1 rack none power. You understand that we include the left hand drive ones in our kit and will credit the cost of a left hand drive rack when ordering a right hand drive unit.

I'll see if I can get some photos for you.

[volkdent]

I know you've got custom wheels on that thing and they are beautiful, but if you ever want to go really GL I can't think of anything sexier than a set of these on Ms. Speedwell...

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/777792.jpg

Jason

[Lazarus]

I know you've got custom wheels on that thing and they are beautiful, but if you ever want to go really GL I can't think of anything sexier than a set of these on Ms. Speedwell...

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/777792.jpg

Jason


yeaaahhh! thats what im talkin bout :thumbup:

[TimBock]

I like those wheels a lot......and think they would look sweet on the 57.

Got a nice surprise a few days ago.....received some very generous ink over in Hungary:D

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Rumor has it that some lovin is comin from Germany and Japan as well:)

[volkdent]

Well deserved, certainly! It will be awhile before you've got any competition in my opinion.

Jason

[Birdman69]

Yes, wheel center to wheel center

Yes that is a mk1 rack none power. You understand that we include the left hand drive ones in our kit and will credit the cost of a left hand drive rack when ordering a right hand drive unit.

I'll see if I can get some photos for you.

Cheers Mate,

One last question, any track difference between your special spindles and your modded stock spindles?

[coolrydes]

Cheers Mate,

One last question, any track difference between your special spindles and your modded stock spindles?

Yes our spindles are more narrow then our modded stock style ones.

Volksdent,
Nice wheels! We actualy designed our front ends to use late model Porsche wheels off of Boxter, 993, 996 cars with a +40-50mm offset. So those would bolt up nicely.

[TimBock]

Well deserved, certainly! It will be awhile before you've got any competition in my opinion.

Jason

Hey, thanks, Jason. Appreciate all the support;)

[70Turbobug]

What a fantastic car! The craftsmanship is incredible, I was blown away by all the details, really amazing! A german magazine "vw speed" titled the car the best oval ever. Great Job and thanks for sharing the pics a real inspiration!
Mark

[coolrydes]

What a fantastic car! The craftsmanship is incredible, I was blown away by all the details, really amazing! A german magazine "vw speed" titled the car the best oval ever. Great Job and thanks for sharing the pics a real inspiration!
Mark

Hey, thank you very much as I built the car (Kevin "Coolrydes" Zagar) for Tim (he and his son came down and helped as often as they could).
Has VW Speed featured the car also? I have not seen the mag yet if they have.

[70Turbobug]

Congratulations again Kevin! Yes, VW Speed featured the car also it seems they used the same pics as ultra vw.Here´s the cover:

http://vw-speed.de/vwo//show.php3?id=103&nodeid=103&PHPSESSID=8b7a3d8bf1dedf161cca786a2bfbe20f

[coolrydes]

Congratulations again Kevin! Yes, VW Speed featured the car also it seems they used the same pics as ultra vw.Here´s the cover:

http://vw-speed.de/vwo//show.php3?id=103&nodeid=103&PHPSESSID=8b7a3d8bf1dedf161cca786a2bfbe20f

Hey thanks alot.
Now all I need to do is find out how to get a couple of copies.... As for the pictures, Stephan Stanzi shot the car for both magazines and a couple of others that wanted pics.
It's ok with me I'm very glad that soo many magazines wanted to feature it. I say very humbly "something like this car should be enjoyed be as many people as possible"

[Lazarus]

kevin, what would be involved in doing that setup on a 62 beetle? i have been doing some reading over on the samba. i still have some questions. sorry to hijack the thread.

[70Turbobug]

Kevin, PM me an adress and I'll send you a couple of copies.

Mark

[coolrydes]

kevin, what would be involved in doing that setup on a 62 beetle? i have been doing some reading over on the samba. i still have some questions. sorry to hijack the thread.

The kit is realy simple to install. There is a little trimming done to the bulkhead, then our bulkhead assembly slips down over the stock one. A couple of measurements and some welding and your ready to install your brakes, wheels and tires. The average guy can install one in an afternoon.

[coolrydes]

If you want one of our High Performance a-arm kits or our rear kit here is the link to our add on the Samba
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1076832
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1076832

[oasis]

The rear kit is actually here ;)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1103802

What are the differences and considerations between the front and rear kits at US$3,300 and US$2,400, respectively, and the full chassis? (I can't find the link I once had but I believe the price was in the US$9,900 range.)

Also, I am not really familiar with VIN's and Type 1's that are not Super Beetles. I know the VIN is typically located on older Type 1's on the chassis (maybe later ones and Super's also). How does one handle the VIN for the DMV with a full Mendeola chassis?

Or, if one uses the front and rear kits, is the chassis VIN still in play for use?

[coolrydes]

The rear kit is actually here ;)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1103802

What are the differences and considerations between the front and rear kits at US$3,300 and US$2,400, respectively, and the full chassis? (I can't find the link I once had but I believe the price was in the US$9,900 range.)

Also, I am not really familiar with VIN's and Type 1's that are not Super Beetles. I know the VIN is typically located on older Type 1's on the chassis (maybe later ones and Super's also). How does one handle the VIN for the DMV with a full Mendeola chassis?

Or, if one uses the front and rear kits, is the chassis VIN still in play for use?

The kits are so the average guy can install them on their own, complete chassis are assembled by us, either onto your exissisting pan or one that we supply. Our full Mendeola chassis are built onto original VW center tunnels. What we do is purchase a donor car and strip it (including the pan halves) then have it sendblasted to bare metal so we can inspect it for any structual rust or damage. Once the tunnel passes inspection we then install our front and rear kits, replace the pan halves and powder coat the chassis. So the vin remains Volkswagen from start to finish.

[oasis]

Fantastic. It looks like a piece of art to a layman like me. I love it. Thanks! :)

[Bogara_ZO]

Got a nice surprise a few days ago.....received some very generous ink over in Hungary:D

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And maybe I'm the only one here who understands what they have written about the car :D
I wanted to post it here when I got the Magazine but you were faster:)

[TimBock]

You are indeed correct! I like to look at the pictures:) My wife and I spent 10 days in Budapest back in 2008 and had a great time. Pretty much played tourist the whole time but had some really unique and fun experiences.

Would love to go back..........and maybe hit the CR also. You ever make it to the States?

Tim

[70Turbobug]

Hey Kevin, did you get the magazines I sent you? It´s been about 3-4 weeks,so they should have gotten there by now (hopefully).

[coolrydes]

Hey Kevin, did you get the magazines I sent you? It´s been about 3-4 weeks,so they should have gotten there by now (hopefully).

Yes I did Thank You Very Much!!!! I owe you one. Please let me know if I can ever repay the favor..

[70Turbobug]

No sweat Kevin, glad I could help no repay necessary! Maybe some gearbox advice further down the line on my build.

[coolrydes]

Just heard that the Speedwell oval made 10 pages and the cover of VW TECH. I would love to get my hands on one or two of these magazines if possible. If anyone can get a couple please let me know????

Kevin "Coolrydes" Zagar

[70Turbobug]

Just heard that the Speedwell oval made 10 pages and the cover of VW TECH. I would love to get my hands on one or two of these magazines if possible. If anyone can get a couple please let me know????

Kevin "Coolrydes" Zagar

LOL! I got that one too! My inlaws live near the french border,so whenever I am there ( 3 times a year or so) I run to the store across the border and pick up the french vw mags.Unfortunately, they run out pretty quick aswell and I picked up the last one.I can send you my copy though,if you like.I haven´t seen any of the american articles yet on the oval,but the french article has the best pics so far.

Mark