L.a.p 1302

[typ4boy]

Here we go again with an 02 this time, shell has had new channels front 1/4 repair rear 1/4 repair rear bulk head rear inner wings the usual English climate car:lmao::lmao:

Spec for this our slim line struts and uniball top mounts 993 front calipers on 996 drilled discs, 944 turbo rear a arms and spring plates and modified 44 torsion bar covers and 993 brakes, 44 torsion bars ,raided the 44 rear anti roll bar so that to fit,might change the spring plates to our rear uniball set up for porsche a arms, 993 rims either these 16,s or i have some 17 cup 1,s not sure yet, our full interior .996gt3rs green for the body, black detail and rims(its a L.A.P thing:lmao:) yellow details on the calipers, our 60mm oversize rear wings and our stock size fronts in grp.our carbon running boards and rear valance watch as we go...........

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[TSAF]

Already drooling!!!!!!!!!

[typ4boy]

Already drooling!!!!!!!!!

What about this one just about to start a full on cromo cage to include the strut mounts as we are mounting this one on a 03 pan, porsche box, 2.7 typ4 996 brakes, full start to finish ground up detailed to the max.........
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Was owned by a Norwegian drag racer, then my mate Bobby did a rat shat look special, car was on front cover of ultra ,now its in our hands for an outrageous build.

[TSAF]

You bought this from Jussi?

[typ4boy]

You bought this from Jussi?

No jussi,s car was blue wasnt it ?? man that thing hauled typ4 10second arse love that car.

I got it off a uk ratlook guy for a customer of mine. car is green and on the front cover of ultra magazine in all its rat shat look glory.:lmao:

[TSAF]

How come he choose a split and not a 02-03 instead. Splits are a rare sight now it would be a shame to modernize it.

[typ4boy]

How come he choose a split and not a 02-03 instead. Splits are a rare sight now it would be a shame to modernize it.

To piss off the purists:angry::lmao:Feel free to air your opinion i always do:lmao: but i dont question customers when they approach me and ask for a 1 off car from the ground up.

[TSAF]

He will piss of the purists that's for sure. 2.7 with carbs or he will go for throttle bodies, ecu, etc

[typ4boy]

He will piss of the purists that's for sure. 2.7 with carbs or he will go for throttle bodies, ecu, etc

EFI and crank trigger ignition its 2011 you no:lmao:

[TSAF]

that is great. Keep posting the progress. I love your work. By the way what size of throttle bodies will you use?

[typ4boy]

that is great. Keep posting the progress. I love your work. By the way what size of throttle bodies will you use?

You will have to wait for that one keep watching as we will be unvailing some nice new goodies and they will be on this car.;)

[TSAF]

I will be here waiting:)

[NO_H2O]

2 great projects for sure. I love to piss off the purists.

[judgie]

good to see you back Lee, projects look good. watching with intrest :)

[TSAF]

2 great projects for sure. I love to piss off the purists.

hehehehehehehe:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[typ4boy]

Floorpan stripped and etch primed , rear of shell fillered and smoothed , should get the shell in primer very soon doing all this around work so not much time to spend on it......
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[TSAF]

Keep up the good work Lee

[Bruce.]

Lee...

What seats are going on that pan?

I have the later mounts too but I'm worried that it will mean a seat (bucket/porkie/or similar) will be too high. I'm considering removing the "hump" and welding in a couple of crossbars to bolt a seat runner to.

thx.

[typ4boy]

Lee...

What seats are going on that pan?

I have the later mounts too but I'm worried that it will mean a seat (bucket/porkie/or similar) will be too high. I'm considering removing the "hump" and welding in a couple of crossbars to bolt a seat runner to.

thx.

Hi Bruce , same as the white 1303 car, but in a different colour, we make them, here are some orange ones ,at the trimmers at the moment for my New Beetle 1.8t GL style car iam building done in porsche gt3rs orange (same colour iam doing the car)just about the right height with original 03 runners, the pan in the pic is an 03 pan shell is an 02.......
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/DSC02638.jpg~original

[Bruce.]

Thx Lee.

My brother used 924 seats on 3-point bases and had to cut'n'shut a lot to mount them low enough. I guess a bucket is a bit easier (bolts to the side on yours?)

I'd appreciate a photo of the adapted bases/runners if you have one.

cheers.

[typ4boy]

Thx Lee.

My brother used 924 seats on 3-point bases and had to cut'n'shut a lot to mount them low enough. I guess a bucket is a bit easier (bolts to the side on yours?)

I'd appreciate a photo of the adapted bases/runners if you have one.

cheers.

I made up some ally plates that bolt to the seat and then bolted them to the 03 runner ,simples.you could always cut and shut the runners so they sit lower ?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000025.jpg~original

[Bruce.]

:)

That's perfect, just what I was looking for.
Gives me some confidence that I can make the stock runners work.

Thanks :goodjob:

[evilC]

On our '03 I welded an inverted channel (n) down onto the seat hump and bolted the standard Alfa seat rails to that. The height with Alfa 116 seats is perfect for me but my wife has to use the spring seat raiser to lift it up for her comfy position - she's 5'4".

I take the view that anything used on the road should have a comfy seating position for the driver but the passenger can be down on thye floor if necessary. the driver needs maximum visibility to his instruments and the roads around him as well as being close enough to the wheel and gear lever for maximum control.

Clive

[TSAF]

Lee do you have any updates with the 02?

[typ4boy]

Lee do you have any updates with the 02?

No , no 02 updates been working on the typ2 split and getting the 51 split bug/03 ready for the cage and front end transplant........
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and nice to see drive shafts/irs poking out :lmao::lmao:
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000644.jpg~original

[TSAF]

I love this model 51 split bug/03

[volkdent]

Cant wait to see this thing finished, sort of squeemish cutting up the split, but the results will be amazing I'm sure.

Jason

[typ4boy]

Cant wait to see this thing finished, sort of squeemish cutting up the split, but the results will be amazing I'm sure.

Jason

We hav'nt cut any thing yet, just unpicked the factory spot welds on the front valance and the spare wheel well and they will go back in after the front is finished, also only moved the rear body to shock tower mounts, so its hardly been touched for the match up.Like i said this shell was modified years ago by the Scandinavian drag racer, hardly an og split bug ,any way who cares what year they are, I,am only interested in modifying vws, stockers are for buffers.:lmao:

[70Turbobug]

I really like your projects so far, very well done and with your own individual touch.However, I think the split will be the best one.The 03 floorpan with the shorter wheelbase is something I had always thought about.I don't have the fab skills to make it happen though.Good luck and I'm really looking forward to following your updates!

[typ4boy]

I really like your projects so far, very well done and with your own individual touch.However, I think the split will be the best one.The 03 floorpan with the shorter wheelbase is something I had always thought about.I don't have the fab skills to make it happen though.Good luck and I'm really looking forward to following your updates!

Cheers , just fabbing the cage mounts, waiting for the Cromo/t45 steel to turn up and then its all go on the cage and front end strut mounts, going to be using our slimline L.A.P struts and a new product we are bringing out, cro-mo bottom drop arms with rose joint/uniball inner mounts off the pan, might make some shorter ones for this car so we can get FAT porsche wheels and rubber under the front end;).

Cage boxes under construction.......
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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000650.jpg~original

[70Turbobug]

Chromo cage? Sounds like you're planning for some serious power?

[typ4boy]

Chromo cage? Sounds like you're planning for some serious power?

Yep , one of our 2.6cc full tilt typ 4,s similar to my 02,s..........
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[TSAF]

Lee I want more details about the type 4 MONSTER, power, torque, basically everything:cool::cool:

[70Turbobug]

Nice!!!! Yeah, bring on the specs!

[typ4boy]

Lee I want more details about the type 4 MONSTER, power, torque, basically everything:cool::cool:

All in good time chaps.;)

Rocking on with the cage..............
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Our new cro-mo/rose joint bottom drop arms coming on aswell.......
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Also got L.A.P no1 out for blast today took some shots nice sky...
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[70Turbobug]

Nice Work!

[Bruce.]

The old green machine has still got it :)

Was flicking throught the Total VW feature a few weeks ago. I was looking for the tyre sizes you're running with the stock wings but it didn't mention them.

[typ4boy]

Nice Work!

Thanks, still a lot more bars to go in and all the front work for the struts.

[typ4boy]

The old green machine has still got it :)

Was flicking throught the Total VW feature a few weeks ago. I was looking for the tyre sizes you're running with the stock wings but it didn't mention them.

Yep , everybody still says that, and i have to agree after my 2 day blast about in it, the old terminator has still got it, she runs a 2.4cc typ4 now, its 12 years since i started that car.

7x16 cups all round 205x55 on the back, 195x45 on the front car has our first ever set of slim lines on the front aswell.

[TSAF]

Lee the yellow on your avatar looks really mean. I have seen a few photos of this car on your site.

[aircured]

Hi,
I have the same size alloy wheels on my GT Beetle but am finding the steering quite stiff and sometimes hard - do you get the same reaction? The only difference I can see is that I am running 205 x 50 tyres (all round)... Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[70Turbobug]

I have seen a few photos of this car on your site.

Where´s the link? I´d like to see what he has,too!

[TSAF]

Where´s the link? I´d like to see what he has,too!

http://www.laperformance.co.uk/blog/

[70Turbobug]

Thanks ;)

[typ4boy]

Hi,
I have the same size alloy wheels on my GT Beetle but am finding the steering quite stiff and sometimes hard - do you get the same reaction? The only difference I can see is that I am running 205 x 50 tyres (all round)... Any suggestions would be appreciated.

No, no steering problems on this car with 7x16,s but this is an 03 far superior than a torsion bar car:lmao::D;) only kidding, check your steering box and may be put some smaller tyres on.

[typ4boy]

Lee the yellow on your avatar looks really mean. I have seen a few photos of this car on your site.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000033.jpg~original
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;););););)

[TSAF]

I love it.

[aircured]

No, no steering problems on this car with 7x16,s but this is an 03 far superior than a torsion bar car:lmao::D;) only kidding, check your steering box and may be put some smaller tyres on.

new to this, but was thinking of having my front wheels machined down an inch to 16 x 6 and fitting smaller tyres, what do you think?

[typ4boy]

new to this, but was thinking of having my front wheels machined down an inch to 16 x 6 and fitting smaller tyres, what do you think?

O.K your new to this , but unless your having them narrowed ,i.e cut in half machined and then re welded ,how do you propose to machine an 1"off your rims, first off check your steering box, tie rods and try smaller tyre 195x45 ;)

[aircured]

O.K your new to this , but unless your having them narrowed ,i.e cut in half machined and then re welded ,how do you propose to machine an 1"off your rims, first off check your steering box, tie rods and try smaller tyre 195x45 ;)

Thanx for the reply - will check steering box and tie rods - also going to get some smaller tyres...
I should have said that a guy is going to cut the wheels in half, machine them and then re-weld them...
Cheers for the info.

[typ4boy]

Little bit of an update with 02, got the side vents cut out going for our carbon versions this time, also changed my mind on the ally 944 a arms, going early 944 steel with our uni ball+coil over set up, got that made and trial fitted with some old Konis for now............
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[TSAF]

Personally I believe that the early 944 arms are stronger than the later ones. Lee the project looks great. The carbon side vents will look great. Have you decided on the color?

[NO_H2O]

L.A.P. does very fine work. Love it.

[typ4boy]

.

Slight change of plan on the colours for this car, i got to be honest and say the green was a cover up, you lot will still have to wait for it though, you may not like it you may love it, either way iam going for it:lmao::lmao:

[711302]

What do the side vents connect to?

[70Turbobug]

They route air into the engine bay,allowing the fan to suck in more cold and fresh air.

[TSAF]

They route air into the engine bay,allowing the fan to suck in more cold and fresh air.

+ it looks the works.

[70Turbobug]

Yeah,they give me a stiffy aswell. :D I had my car painted already early on in the project,otherwise I would have put them in also.I wanted to run carbon fiber pipes from the vents into the engine bay...

[typ4boy]

Right .... not done much this week on the 02 or the split bug , next week finish the cage on the split bug, could,nt be arsed with body work this week, so made all the carbon for the 02 project and other parts for customers, also made the 02 front wings and rear valance in grp, also made another seat in grp............................................... ............

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Might put a carbon spoiler on my daily really suits it ......
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[volkdent]

What are you thinking is the best solution to adhering the spoiler to the roof?

Jason

[typ4boy]

What are you thinking is the best solution to adhering the spoiler to the roof?

Jason

Body shop panel adesive, grp them in from the back.

[typ4boy]

shell is in primer, carbon fibre vents are in just got to smooth them off.......
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[TSAF]

Looking good. The vents look the business

[typ4boy]

No going back now with the colour scheme..........
GT3 RS orange pan........
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[Gerrelt]

Nice color! The pan alone allready looks fast! :D

[70Turbobug]

That looks really sweet! What color is the body going to be be?

[Bruce.]

Same orange base but with a translucent matt black top coat.


Or maybe that's just my odd taste. :)

[typ4boy]

Same orange base but with a translucent matt black top coat.


Or maybe that's just my odd taste. :)

Not as odd as mine........... here you go had a mental day today got loads painted started with top side of floorpan this morning, then painted some black parts, then painted the shell apart from the top side, then moved onto the rims tonite, cat out of the bag now brown and orange....:lmao::lmao::lmao:......
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[typ4boy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000715.jpg~original
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1974 audi brown.

[70Turbobug]

1974 audi brown.

Ok I´m relieved,I saw the pics and thought to myself,I wonder what he used as a color sample...I hope not something from his trousers! No just kidding!! Looks great! The rims aren´t mine though,but the color combo looks good!

[evilC]

Well if you've painted it brown then the top half has got to be cream so thats its a proper 'brown and cream job'








Glossary
(A 'Brown and Cream Job' - old rally navigator's parlance for an incident that caused emissions from both ends of the human frame!)

[typ4boy]

Got the a arms painted and new bushes in also got the uni ball in and coil overs are located.......
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Also got the doors and bonnet in primer and flatted 3 out the 4 wings, might see some more brun tomoz.:D

[typ4boy]

Nice color! The pan alone allready looks fast! :D

Thanks , you making them rear window spoilers ????? wouldnt mind a couple for my cars.;)

[Gerrelt]

Yes, I am making the rear window spoilers. I just started making a new batch. Shall I put you on the list?

BTW, I only do glassfiber ones, I can't do carbon fiber.

[typ4boy]

Yes, I am making the rear window spoilers. I just started making a new batch. Shall I put you on the list?

BTW, I only do glassfiber ones, I can't do carbon fiber.

Grp is good ill have one for this car and colour code it brown, if i like it ill order some more.

[proughj]

whats type of wheels are on that yellow bug, size and offset also tire size to please front and rear, also are the fenders stock or widened?

[typ4boy]

whats type of wheels are on that yellow bug, size and offset also tire size to please front and rear, also are the fenders stock or widened?

Genuine Porsche 993 twin turbo hollow spokes, 8x18 front 10x18 rear, L.A.P front stock size wings, L.A.P 60mm oversize for rear. tyre size iam keeping a secret sorry.

[typ4boy]

Cage in 51 coming along nicely, should have brown car in paint next week.
51 pics...

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[Scotts73SB]

Great to see a car built with mods from the bare bones pan and under chasis. Thanks for the pics and the time it takes to upload and remembering to take them each day.

[typ4boy]

Door bars and supports are in, next up, the best part, the front end ......
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[typ4boy]

As of today with 02...........
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[Humble]

What front struts are those and how heavy are the springs?

[typ4boy]

What front struts are those and how heavy are the springs?

They are my front struts made for us by AVO u.k and no you cant buy them direct from AVO,only L.A.P we do many different spring set ups.:)

[Steve C]

Hi

I notice that your using 2 bolt struts on the brown car, do you prefer them over the 3 bolt? Is that because your fitting 944 stubs?

I find the 2 bolts have limitations with lowering and you cant fit a flip kit to the tie rods unless you reposition the inner tie rod mounting.

Steve

[typ4boy]

Hi

I notice that your using 2 bolt struts on the brown car, do you prefer them over the 3 bolt? Is that because your fitting 944 stubs?

I find the 2 bolts have limitations with lowering and you cant fit a flip kit to the tie rods unless you reposition the inner tie rod mounting.

Steve

All my cars have 2 bolt set up we much prefer that to early 3 bolt, and yes all our cars feature 944 spindles/stubs.

[typ4boy]

As of today......
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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010127.jpg~original

[volkdent]

Wow, I thought you were kidding with the brown and orange, that's the color huh? I was thinking it was some sort of base coat or primer!:lmao: I'm going to have to wait till she's done though, it may grow on me and you have an eye for good color combos so I'll hold my breath.;)

Jason

[typ4boy]

Wow, I thought you were kidding with the brown and orange, that's the color huh? I was thinking it was some sort of base coat or primer!:lmao: I'm going to have to wait till she's done though, it may grow on me and you have an eye for good color combos so I'll hold my breath.;)

Jason

I never kid........... what the hell to many people laughed at the original idea(of brown and orange) not to see it through and iam running out of colours:lmao:

[Bruce.]

I'm struggling with this colour combo (esp. the wheels) but these things aren't decided by a committee.

appreciate the pics though :)

[typ4boy]

I'm struggling with this colour combo (esp. the wheels) but these things aren't decided by a committee.

appreciate the pics though :)

Its all good, everybody has an opinion i no that, but you aint gotta drive or like it its built for me and i like it enuff said.:D

[Scotts73SB]

Mmmm Root beer!!! Put a ton of metal flake in it like the ski boats! :)

[70Turbobug]

It´ll turn up real nice,just wait.Once it´s all together and lowered with glass and interior it will will be whole different car.Dare to be different - I like it!

[x_hodhoo]

Hi

I notice that your using 2 bolt struts on the brown car, do you prefer them over the 3 bolt? Is that because your fitting 944 stubs?

I find the 2 bolts have limitations with lowering and you cant fit a flip kit to the tie rods unless you reposition the inner tie rod mounting.

Steve

Hi Steve, I've flipped tie rods and made the balljoint extender to lower control arms (it hit steering rack). Now I can lower the car about 1.5-2 inches more. I haven't tested it on the road yet but I think it will work well. :)

PS. typ4boy, sorry for hijacking your thread :)

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/VoLkSuBaGeN/IMG1041.jpg~original

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/VoLkSuBaGeN/IMG1052.jpg~original

typ4boy, your oval project is very interesting, I'm converting 1303 pan into standard beatle too. I've been doing this project for more than 2 years, it's almost done now :)

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/VoLkSuBaGeN/DSC_4188.jpg~original

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/VoLkSuBaGeN/P1070595.jpg~original

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/VoLkSuBaGeN/DSC_0334.jpg~original


:)

[Steve C]

Hi x_hodhoo

This very interesting stuff. Maybe you should start another thread on this, I'm sure that you will get heaps of comments on this.

You would need to be careful with ball joint to wheel clearance issues, the 3 bolt strut is much easier to space the ball joint on.

Steve

[Wally]

Really like the ball-joint extender thing! Makes for a much better reaction arm geometry with more then normal lowering.

[oasis]

I haven't been around for a bit ... I must say I like the brown and orange. I also must say I like the GSR in the background of a few pics even more.

Okay, back to the hijack.

[TSAF]

Lee any updates for us?

[typ4boy]

Lee any updates for us?

None yet we are busy moving shops, just got to finish the new drop arms and the front end can go on sooooooooooon:D

[TSAF]

Great news, you are moving premises?

[typ4boy]

New cro-mo drop arms nearly there just got to do some reinforcing around the anti roll bush and we are good to go prototype....... then they will be for sale if any body is looking for super strong super light weight rose joint late 03 stlye drop arms.....
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010376.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010374.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010375.jpg~original

[owdlvr]

Hmmm, very interesting arms. I had started modelling up a set of early tubular arms, on the off-chance I start bending them.

-Dave

[Humble]

I'm interested in those tubular lower control arms. Do you think they would hold up to high grip, high speed track abuse? Maybe add a triangular gusset over the swaybar bushing area?

[typ4boy]

I'm interested in those tubular lower control arms. Do you think they would hold up to high grip, high speed track abuse? Maybe add a triangular gusset over the swaybar bushing area?

Read the post dude .......please.

[proughj]

hwo much for the arms?

[Wally]

Great idea! Like the rose joint in particular!
I will definitely need a spacer between the spindle and reaction arm though, as mentioned earlier. Wouldn't it be an idea to incorporate something like that in the arm at the same time? I mean, we all have lowered our cars and suspension geometry suffers as a result.
Possible/good idea or not?

[dave forder]

New cro-mo drop arms nearly there just got to do some reinforcing around the anti roll bush and we are good to go prototype....... then they will be for sale if any body is looking for super strong super light weight rose joint late 03 stlye drop arms.....
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010376.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010374.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010375.jpg~original

Nice work on the arms. If only I had an 03. Love the white car.

[typ4boy]

Great idea! Like the rose joint in particular!
I will definitely need a spacer between the spindle and reaction arm though, as mentioned earlier. Wouldn't it be an idea to incorporate something like that in the arm at the same time? I mean, we all have lowered our cars and suspension geometry suffers as a result.
Possible/good idea or not?

Explain a bit more walt iam having a blonde moment ???????:D

[typ4boy]

Nice work on the arms. If only I had an 03. Love the white car.

Howdy mate ........... those carbon parts are gathering dust ;)

[Wally]

Sorry mate, I could not find the right words atm.
I think I meant 'ball-joint-extenders'.

As our arms are horizontal to begin with after a more serious lowering, the camber change when taking a sharp turn can become negative. You want the wheel to gain more negative camber on turning (wheel moving upward). Like the original suspension geometry was laid out, as much as I hate to say.
Does that make any sense at all?

[70Turbobug]

What about adjustable/excentrical mounts at the top of the shock towers instead? Imho that would give you more adjustability and stability.Those are available for Golf MK2 and they fit on the 02/03 also don´t they?

[Bruce.]

Wally's point:

As the stock suspension geometry is lowered, the design of the lower arm becomes a problem. At a certain point (when the pivot angle >90 degrees) the wheel gains positive camber as the suspension compresses.

As per this-
http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Tech/The-Ultimate-Guide-To/3/1027071613_WZJpU-L.jpg

on the left, stock ride height, compressing the suspension results in more negative camber (blue shadow). In the middle, the lower arm is pointing up as the suspension is lowered so further compression results in the bottom of the tyre being pulled in. On the right, the balljoint is spaced downwards from the spindle reducing the angle between the lower arm and the strut to less than 90 degrees. This fixes the problem.

The other option is the raise the inner mount of the lower arm. Changing the strut angle will reduce the key angle but not by much and it adds a lot of unwanted static camber.

If you could machine a spacer with the correct tapers and internal/external threads this would really improve the handling of lowered cars. As a bonus, it would also fix the similar issues with the anti-roll bar.

[Wally]

Thanks Bruce, that is EXACTLY what i meant! Not sure if possible with new arms from Lee, but if there would be a way to incorporate the extension, then that would make it an extra selling point and I would want a set now as I am contemplating extension possibilities at the moment.

The higher up mounting on the inside is theoretically a sound alternative, but the arm is already on the high hole of the mounting (as original) with '74-> suspension and higher is fysically not possible there..

Whats the weight difference with stock arms Lee? Seems like it would be hard to shed weight on the original design, but would be happy to be proven wrong of course! It would be nice if the extra weight of the extension(s) - which would be heavy - could be made up some by lighter arms!

[thomas07056]

A pic from my first front suspension

[70Turbobug]

I understand perfectly what the extension does and it´s more than likely the cheaper solution.But you are also multiplying the torque on that joint between the extension and the arm.Possibly of no concern,though? Maybe thomas07056 can share some experience on that from racing?

Mark

[typ4boy]

Thanks Bruce, that is EXACTLY what i meant! Not sure if possible with new arms from Lee, but if there would be a way to incorporate the extension, then that would make it an extra selling point and I would want a set now as I am contemplating extension possibilities at the moment.

The higher up mounting on the inside is theoretically a sound alternative, but the arm is already on the high hole of the mounting (as original) with '74-> suspension and higher is fysically not possible there..

Whats the weight difference with stock arms Lee? Seems like it would be hard to shed weight on the original design, but would be happy to be proven wrong of course! It would be nice if the extra weight of the extension(s) - which would be heavy - could be made up some by lighter arms!

Right o iam with you all now :D wally you cant believe the weight difference between the two moly is so light . so what we need is higher ball joint end ????

[Wally]

. so what we need is higher ball joint end ????

Yep! I have some 9cm clearence towards my 18"wheels from underside ball-joint to wheel rim. I think 2 inches higher will fit any other wheel, make it worth the trouble and be effective enough?

BTW, I really like light-weight in suspension components! :D

[typ4boy]

ill see what we can do at this stage thanks guys for all the input.;)

[Humble]

Read the post dude .......please.

sorry, missed that :P I blame a crazy on-call schedule and no sleep for 3 days.

Also, +1 for wally's idea on raising the ball joint area. You could angle and slightly extend the tubing on the outside of the bushing area with minimal work.

[Bruce.]

Hang on guys, you've got it upside down.

The key measure is the angle between the top strut mount, the balljoint pivot and the lower arm inner mount. This angle needs to remain less than 90 degrees.

If you modify the lower arm, you are just changing the shape of the arm and the balljoint pivot remains in the same place verses the other two key suspension points.

The modification required is to space the balljoint down, away from the hub.

So those lovely arms are just fine as the are. You either need a different balljoint with a much longer stub so that a spacer can be put on first or a machined extension that mounts on the end of the balljoint stub. Substituting a ballpoint with a threaded stub might make it easier to make an extension piece.

If you look again at the right hand diagram above, you should see what I mean.

Cheers!

[Wally]

Thanks Bruce! Your right of course. Its easy to loose track of things sometimes ;)
I agree we won't get past something like these:
http://www.pmwltd.com/grfx/extenders.jpg

Those will weigh though, so its great Lee makes something lightweight to compensate :cool:

[Steve C]

Hi

With the ball joint extension picture that Wally just posted they could be made to make the fitting of the 944 stubs easier instead of using an adaptor bush.

On another tangent. Real weight gains could be made with a 3 bolt set-up using molly lower control arms, those cast lower control arms weigh quiet a lot.

Steve

[typ4boy]

Hi

With the ball joint extension picture that Wally just posted they could be made to make the fitting of the 944 stubs easier instead of using an adaptor bush.

On another tangent. Real weight gains could be made with a 3 bolt set-up using molly lower control arms, those cast lower control arms weigh quiet a lot.

Steve

We never use adaptor bushes, just buy the german ball joints thats what those are in the pics, id never trust a bush:eek:.

[judgie]

another way of doing it would be to use a spherical bearing rather than a ball joint in the outter end of the tca. that way you can then use a shaft to attach to the strut. this shaft can then be made adjustable in hieght so you can set it up to what ever ride hieght you want. this is commen practice on many rally/race cars. yes a spherical joint might be a bit much for a road car and wont last as long as a ball joint but it works and is very strong.
this is on a golf but uses the same idea
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/mickeymarrows/golf/29042008031.jpg

[Steve C]

We never use adaptor bushes, just buy the german ball joints thats what those are in the pics, id never trust a bush:eek:.

Great 2 problems solved in one, much better than the adaptor bush

[evilC]

Thanks Bruce, that is EXACTLY what i meant! Not sure if possible with new arms from Lee, but if there would be a way to incorporate the extension, then that would make it an extra selling point and I would want a set now as I am contemplating extension possibilities at the moment.

The higher up mounting on the inside is theoretically a sound alternative, but the arm is already on the high hole of the mounting (as original) with '74-> suspension and higher is fysically not possible there..

Whats the weight difference with stock arms Lee? Seems like it would be hard to shed weight on the original design, but would be happy to be proven wrong of course! It would be nice if the extra weight of the extension(s) - which would be heavy - could be made up some by lighter arms!

A pic from my first front suspension

Right o iam with you all now :D wally you cant believe the weight difference between the two moly is so light . so what we need is higher ball joint end ????

I agree with all of that and Rob's compression strut. But just to add my 2p worth; I don't feel comfortable with the butt joints either side of the anti-roll bar bush housing that will be weaker than the plain tube. The TCA has really only an axial load (horizontal for most of the time) so the tube can be light. But the antiroll bar exerts a bending moment at the point of the bush within the bar. Add in the fatigue factor of many load applications and it does seem weak although no figures have been applied. The solution would be to take the bush out of the centreline of the TCA - put it above or below with a speader to prevent local distortion. Put it below and it realigns the anti-roll bar towards a standard geometry. However, put it above the TCA and you have reduced the pitch forward, creating more anti-dive. Classically, you would have done this by dropping the pivots down on a strut car but there is nothing stopping the other end going up instead. You can't drop the anti-roll bar bushes down because of ground clearance issues on a lowered car.

Is that logic correct?

Clive

[typ4boy]

What about adjustable/excentrical mounts at the top of the shock towers instead? Imho that would give you more adjustability and stability.Those are available for Golf MK2 and they fit on the 02/03 also don´t they?

Already do these versions just about to make them adjustable next little project.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1000066.jpg~original

[typ4boy]

I agree with all of that and Rob's compression strut. But just to add my 2p worth; I don't feel comfortable with the butt joints either side of the anti-roll bar bush housing that will be weaker than the plain tube. The TCA has really only an axial load (horizontal for most of the time) so the tube can be light. But the antiroll bar exerts a bending moment at the point of the bush within the bar. Add in the fatigue factor of many load applications and it does seem weak although no figures have been applied. The solution would be to take the bush out of the centreline of the TCA - put it above or below with a speader to prevent local distortion. Put it below and it realigns the anti-roll bar towards a standard geometry. However, put it above the TCA and you have reduced the pitch forward, creating more anti-dive. Classically, you would have done this by dropping the pivots down on a strut car but there is nothing stopping the other end going up instead. You can't drop the anti-roll bar bushes down because of ground clearance issues on a lowered car.

Is that logic correct?

Clive

This is a PROTOTYPE it is not the finished article , i love the way some people always got plenty to say about others work like oh iam not happy about butt joints. just give it some time the finished article will work and will not be sold until its had a right good hammering on our test cars, unlike some folks that spend all there time on internet forums i drive my cars to the limit on the road and try to brake every thing we do way before it goes public. rant over:angry:, The finished product will be bigger od tube and one piece with an incert for the antiroll bar rather than butt welds also will have diamond shape strength plates top and bottom.

[70Turbobug]

Regardless of what people think or prefer,I´m sure you´ve given your products a lot of thought and sounds like you wouldn´t sell anything without trying it out and giving your approval first.It´s good to see that another person is offering quality products to the acvw community! Keep it up!

Mark

[Wally]

Yeah, I would REALLY like to try this new tca on my car for the new TimeAttack2012 season. Which starts BTW already in march Lee, so get on with it! :D

[typ4boy]

Yeah, I would REALLY like to try this new tca on my car for the new TimeAttack2012 season. Which starts BTW already in march Lee, so get on with it! :D

There is nothing more id like than for you to have a set on MYTH BUSTER, proof of the pudding as we say.;)

[70Turbobug]

There is nothing more id like than for you to have a set on MYTH BUSTER, proof of the pudding as we say.;)

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for some testing/prototyping.A high speed 400+bhp test bed (relatively heavy even) under race conditions.Can´t get any better than that.And if he takes the win,you can always say it was due to your parts:D

[evilC]

This is a PROTOTYPE it is not the finished article , i love the way some people always got plenty to say about others work like oh iam not happy about butt joints. just give it some time the finished article will work and will not be sold until its had a right good hammering on our test cars, unlike some folks that spend all there time on internet forums i drive my cars to the limit on the road and try to brake every thing we do way before it goes public. rant over:angry:, The finished product will be bigger od tube and one piece with an incert for the antiroll bar rather than butt welds also will have diamond shape strength plates top and bottom.

I confirm you did say this was a protype and you had some reinforcing to do but by posting the photo you invited comments - perhaps I should have said that its the most wonderful piece of fabrication that I have ever seen? If you had bothered to read my full comments you will see that it revolved around the load applications on TCAs that I also invited (instructive) comments on. Forums are about debate not sycophanic praise and I for one am fully aware that anything I post may be the subject of unflattering comment.

I thoroughly enjoy the debates on this forum as it attracts very knowledgable people in intelligent discussion - long may it be so.

BTW I too drive my ideas and am more than prepared to admit mistakes and change anything if doesn't work out. Unfortunately, my interest in cars and engineering has to take third place to my business and family commitments so I don't get the time to produce as much as I could.

[typ4boy]

Just finished our new late model vented deck lid available in carbon and grp here is a carbon one, factory style fixings for the hinges, drill your steel ones off and rivet to carbon/grp...............
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010604.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010602.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010603.jpg~original

Now all we got to do is finish the door molds then its carbon doors folks.

[Wally]

Wow! verry nice!

BTW, when are the front control arms ready Lee?
I need a pair asap for coming TimeAttack season ;-)

[typ4boy]

Wow! verry nice!

BTW, when are the front control arms ready Lee?
I need a pair asap for coming TimeAttack season ;-)

I no mate ill do my best but i have a lot of full on cars to build aswell, here is the prototype one on , once we finish the front end build on this car we will have the final ones done and ready for sale , want to get them right mate...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010549.jpg~original

[typ4boy]

Also anybody out there running porsche ally a arms...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/DSC00111.jpg~original
we now have these..........
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010605.jpg~original

For mounting shocks made from en 30.

[chug_A_bug]

WOW! very Sexy....
LOVE the Carbon decklid
Chris.

[SportyBug]

Also anybody out there running porsche ally a arms...
we now have these..........
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010605.jpg~original

For mounting shocks made from en 30.

I have a set waiting for me to rebuild my 1303, is this just a stud for mounting shocks? What does this do for me versus a normal bolt?

[evilC]

This gives you a 3rd alternative for mounting the dampers as the top bolt is M10 and the Alloy arms have a M14 bolt IIRC:

1) Ream out the bottom bush insert to M14 (makes it a bit thin but workable though.
2) Replace the bottom bush insert with an M14 one. It preloads the rubber bush though
3) Use Lee's converter

I used a combination of 1) and 2). Both 1) and 2) pre-suppose that the dampers have rubber or poly bushes, if you have spherical bushes then you have to use Lee's converter or similar or alternatively get special spherical bushes.

Lee's converter would have been beneficial for me as I recently had one bottom bolt fall out, so this time around I locktighted it in.

[SportyBug]

typ4boy, how much are those shock bolts?

Are these bolts long enough for both a shock and a bolt?? I stumbled across a picture of similar bolts here on GL that appear to be much longer
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3943
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2920&d=1226019076

[typ4boy]

typ4boy, how much are those shock bolts?

Are these bolts long enough for both a shock and a bolt?? I stumbled across a picture of similar bolts here on GL that appear to be much longer
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3943
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2920&d=1226019076

Defiantly long enough we have them on cars with our coil overs on ill dig a pic out. £45 plus shipping the pair.

[typ4boy]

52 shell 03 pan update she is rolling.........
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010942.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010940.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1010939.jpg~original

[70Turbobug]

Nice work!!

[typ4boy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1020123.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1020149.jpg~original
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/P1020158.jpg~original

brown car coming on....

[Tim]

Thanks Bruce! Your right of course. Its easy to loose track of things sometimes ;)
I agree we won't get past something like these:
http://www.pmwltd.com/grfx/extenders.jpg

Those will weigh though, so its great Lee makes something lightweight to compensate :cool:

Anyone knows where I can buy a pair of these?

Thanks!

[typ4boy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/285641_372256129526170_310378739_n.jpg~original

Happy New Year to all the German look Freaks.

[SuperRSi]

What is the progress on the front arms? More posts and pictures this year please!

[typ4boy]

To busy to post much these days but here is the new shop car
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/10623693_700965403321906_8281892357613854850_o-2_zps22ac6cac.jpg~original

[effvee]

To busy to post much these days but here is the new shop car
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/lard_1968/10623693_700965403321906_8281892357613854850_o-2_zps22ac6cac.jpg~original

Good morning, does anyone have a pic of a interior shot with the side vents installed; with the back seat in?

[Wally]

Wow! Very nice car Lee! What engine will it receive?

edit: saw it in the other thread: 2,1 150hp T4

[typ4boy]

Good morning, does anyone have a pic of a interior shot with the side vents installed; with the back seat in?

you cant really run a back seat with side vents.:)

[typ4boy]

Wow! Very nice car Lee! What engine will it receive?

edit: saw it in the other thread: 2,1 150hp T4

Hello Walter how you doing mate .:)

[Wally]

Hello Walter how you doing mate .:)

I just miss not having been able to met you this or last year at the Pod!

[typ4boy]

I just miss not having been able to met you this or last year at the Pod!

jacked the "scene " in mate too many arse wipes involved nowadays many think ive gone bust and out the game lolol never busier building some really far out rides just keep my self to myself and create.

[Wally]

Keep doing the good work and share some of them with us is more then fine by me too :-)