So you want camber plates 'eh

[lightning bug]

In my search for the almighty coilover, I found someone who has camber plates for 1302 & 1303's. This company will be doing my coilovers also. Bolt in camber plates with spherical bearings. Coilovers also available.

Contact Ellis Engineering:

Stephen Ellis
Phone: 704.841.2614
E-mail: CarreraCustom@carolina.rr.com

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by lightning bug
In my search for the almighty coilover, I found someone who has camber plates for 1302 & 1303's. This company will be doing my coilovers also. Bolt in camber plates with spherical bearings. Coilovers also available.

Contact Ellis Engineering:

Stephen Ellis
Phone: 704.841.2614
E-mail: CarreraCustom@carolina.rr.com

Hmmm... Any pics or prices?

Thanks!

Sprint.

[ricola]

I found these a while back:
http://www.eagleperformance.com/NewFiles/Coil-overKit.html
http://www.eagleperformance.com/media/CoilOverConKit.jpg
Only $200!

Rich

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by ricola
I found these a while back:
http://www.eagleperformance.com/NewFiles/Coil-overKit.html
http://www.eagleperformance.com/media/CoilOverConKit.jpg
Only $200!

Rich

Good price!!! But are the spring plates necessary or can I just run the torsion bars anyway and use some coilover shocks that some Bus places sell?

Those coilovers are not adjustable for ride, only height, but hey.. I'm poor! :D

Sprint.

[vw1303]

I emailed carrera customs and they sent me some pictures of the camber plates. They also have coilovers avaliable for $200. I am going to really look into these. The camber plates are going for $130 which is a really good price.

[lightning bug]

The camber plates are sweet. I might break down and get them myself. I believe that price is each. For the coilovers too. Don't quote me. You might want to check that out. The whole ft. coilover kit is around $600 for Supers. The kits are nice. A few different dampers and numerous spring rates to choose from. Are you speaking of the rears?

[Chris Percival]

I don't understand how those camber plates work. I can see that they might allow the plate to be twisted, but surely camber is fixed by the trailing arm? See this thread: http://www.germanlook.com/Forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1634

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by Chris Percival
I don't understand how those camber plates work. I can see that they might allow the plate to be twisted, but surely camber is fixed by the trailing arm? See this thread: http://www.germanlook.com/Forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1634

Hello Chris,

What you describe about the control arms is right. That's how it's done on the 02s and 03s. You can ALSO use the TOP bolt of the late suspension to get more camber. This is done on the Golf, 924/944/968 who essentially share the same suspension setup.

And YET another way is to install camber plates and they allow the shock/damper piston to be held in a particular setting you like, and since the piston and strut lies in the same axis, hence you get more camber adjustment. Of coz some plates allow caster adjustment too.

Sprint.

[lightning bug]

I think we're talking about two different things here. The camber plates that I was speaking of when I started this thread and the pic VW1303 posted are front camber plates for strut suspension. Mounted to the top of the strut tower with the mounting hole elongated to allow the strut to move back and forth to allow more or less camber. The pic posted from Eagle are for the rear and I'm not sure if they would adjust your rear camber anyway. They take the place of your springplates and caps to allow weight transfer to the torsion housing and not just to the mounting bolts. These are used when switching to strictly coilover rear suspension.

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by lightning bug
The pic posted from Eagle are for the rear and I'm not sure if they would adjust your rear camber anyway. They take the place of your springplates and caps to allow weight transfer to the torsion housing and not just to the mounting bolts. These are used when switching to strictly coilover rear suspension.

I understand they take the place of the original spring plate, but I don't understand how they can help with the weight transfer to the torsion housing... Can someone please enlighten me? Thanks!

Sprint.

[ricola]

It is because they have a round part on the side you can't see that fits inside the torsion housing. This means that the load is straight into the torsion housing rather than the 4 bolts of the 'cover'
Rich

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by ricola
It is because they have a round part on the side you can't see that fits inside the torsion housing. This means that the load is straight into the torsion housing rather than the 4 bolts of the 'cover'
Rich

Ahh... So if I want to convert to rear coilovers, the aluminium trailing arms from a 944 Turbo (what I've been yearning for some much) won't be of much use?

Sprint.

[Tim]

Here is a company which custom make front camber/castor plates but they are in Australia. Kits start from AUD350 (approx USD250)

www.mwmd.com.au/adjustable_strut_top_mounts.htm

Tim

[Farmer]

These rear spring plate replacemt things are ONLY nescessary on race cars or really really hi power cars. They do nothing to the camber, but you can adjust the toe in/out in a second. anyone telling ya different is only going for your wallet.

But if someone came up with a good idea to a front camber/caster adjuster especially for 69-73 Super beetles, now THAT would be interesting.

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by Tim
Here is a company which custom make front camber/castor plates but they are in Australia. Kits start from AUD350 (approx USD250)

www.mwmd.com.au/adjustable_strut_top_mounts.htm

Tim

Hmmm.... Interesting when we have a global audience! Hehe.... Now we got options as to which to get! :)

Sprint.

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by Farmer
These rear spring plate replacemt things are ONLY nescessary on race cars or really really hi power cars. They do nothing to the camber, but you can adjust the toe in/out in a second. anyone telling ya different is only going for your wallet.

But if someone came up with a good idea to a front camber/caster adjuster especially for 69-73 Super beetles, now THAT would be interesting.

There's a post before yours with a link to a nice one from Australia...

By the way, are the rear spring plate replacements necessary on street car for the weight/load transfer to the torsion housing instead of mounting points or is that just crap?

Thanks.

Sprint.

[lightning bug]

IMO I feel they would be necessary, race or street. The weight transfer will be there regardless. But then again, what's different than having the torsion bars there or not. Something to be researched more. As far as toe adjustment,t hey wouldn't adjust your toe at all. Also, why would you want to adjust toe on the rear of the car? Adjusting the toe-in or -out is done on the front tires. Toe-in is safer and more stable, as toe-out will allow you to "turn in" quicker into the turns. A slight toe-out can be used on the street, but your car could possibly be less stable at higher speeds and will increase tire wear.

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by lightning bug
IMO I feel they would be necessary, race or street. The weight transfer will be there regardless. But then again, what's different than having the torsion bars there or not. Something to be researched more.

OK. But if I want to run 944 arms and spring plates with coilovers, what torsion bars should I get?

As far as toe adjustment,t hey wouldn't adjust your toe at all. Also, why would you want to adjust toe on the rear of the car? Adjusting the toe-in or -out is done on the front tires. Toe-in is safer and more stable, as toe-out will allow you to "turn in" quicker into the turns. A slight toe-out can be used on the street, but your car could possibly be less stable at higher speeds and will increase tire wear.

You need to be about to adjust the rear toe angle to make sure your trust angle is straight, else the car will forever go left or right...

Sprint.

[lightning bug]

Right. When you unbolt the 3 bolts on the springplate, you can adjust the toe. What I meant was that I don't see how the Eagle plates would be different than the stock. Shouldn't have said at all. My bad. Sure you need to for alignment purposes. I thought we were talking for performance reasons to adjust the rear toe. Bad choice of words on my part. I'll shut up now. :D :D

[SprintStar]

Originally posted by lightning bug
Right. When you unbolt the 3 bolts on the springplate, you can adjust the toe. What I meant was that I don't see how the Eagle plates would be different than the stock. Shouldn't have said at all. My bad. Sure you need to for alignment purposes. I thought we were talking for performance reasons to adjust the rear toe. Bad choice of words on my part. I'll shut up now. :D :D

Hehe... It's MONDAY! Have a good week ahead! :D