Front air spoiler

[jrinlv]

In the general galleries, on page 6, last row, the blue bug 3rd down, is that custom made or can you buy it, any info would be great Thanks JR

[jrinlv]

Sorry to make you guys look all over the place but I can not link it. Sorry JR

[samcat]

http://www.germanlook.com/Images/0443.jpg

Russ fellows bug.
I *THINK* its a custom one off job.... Never seen a similar one before.

Cya,
Sam C

[BOBTAIL]

Its made in F/Glass and simple to make, using a card template or plywood to get the curvature of the front.

I can't remember where Russ got this from, Sorry :(

[juse]

I`ve been digging some old post as you can see...but that spoiler has caught my eye more than once. Its simple enough to DIY and simple is beautiful if you ask me.
But has anyone improved that type of spoiler? I started to think it with a splitter or a "lip"...
Justin

[jrinlv]

How did they go about holding it on the car, This is the route I would like to go.....JR

[juse]

Russ`s car was featured in UltraVW:
http://www.chpltd.com/ultra_vw/terminator.html
Nice car all in all.
Justin

[judgie]

with mine i went a bit further!

[juse]

with mine i went a bit further!

Mean looking thing youve got there...but a bit too much for a street car that I`m building.
I think I`ll just copy Russ`s spoiler (sorry and thanks to Russ) and add an lip to it.
Justin

[wrascal]

:D Hi Guys,
I found some nice bumper covers that incorporate the spoiler into them from www.memoimports.com for $299 for the pair. I hope the attachment works.
Wrascal:cool:

[volkdent]

Not really going to help with aerodynamics, probably will hurt it, but if rice is your thing...

My $.02.

Jason

[EvilAngel]

Do you guys really think tose are ricey... damn! :bawling:

[oasis]

I'm not sure where the "rice" comment was directed ...

http://www.chpltd.com/ultra_vw/images/terminator_00.jpg
http://www.germanlook.com/Forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2236&d=1154078362
http://memoimports.com/1002S_1001H_smoke_on.JPG

... but my experience with a Kamei spoiler would suggest the first two would definitely help with aerodynamics, and I can't see how the bottom one would hurt.

The last one is a bumper cover so it may work with a Kamei or the other two if a bumper were added so the bumper cover could be used.

I didn't see the bumper cover listed at the site for sale at $299 or any other price although they do have pics incorporating it.

I'm not sure how any of the items are "rice." Then again, I am no expert on where things belong on labeled shelves ... I only know what I like and don't like.

(I see the middle one didn't post as a pic. Oh well.)

[Bullyboy]

I think he was referring to the bottom one
But it just looks like a pontiac front end to me:laugh:
I don't think it would have near the effect of the Kamei spoiler.
To each his own.

I would like to see a kamei knock off that would attach to my 61' that works as good as the spoiler on our 73' Super.

[EvilAngel]

Well as you can see from my tiny avatar i've got the bottom one. I really cannot say if it improves aerodynamics or not, since my project is still beginning and i still have a stock 1600cc, and cannot achieve important speeds. Anyway, just for the record, that kit also includes a rear bumper cover. BTW my front cover does NOT have the "Sport GT" letters, so it may be a little less ricey (if any).
I really don't think it'll hurt aerodynamics, but it probably won't help either

[ECBug]

Where did you buy yours? Id like to see more pics.

[EvilAngel]

I got it from my local car parts shop. These are actually made by a mexican bodykit company called Automagic, unfortunately their website is so bad that you can see they have a kit for the bug (a.k.a. sedan) but when you click on the link the page says they have none yet.
http://www.auto-magic.com.mx/productos.asp?MarcaID=1&SubMarcaID=33

The link is in spanish, but it just says that they currently have no products in that category.
There's a very similar bodykit made by airdesign[HERE] (http://www.airdesign.com.mx/catalog/index.php?osCsid=ba3acf1d37997fed07f772ab32040820&manufacturers_id=12&sort=3a&filter_id=111), too.


A couple pics of mi car, (they're a bit old):
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/2534000-2534999/2534685_2_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/2534000-2534999/2534685_1_full.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7912/dsc00986640vg0.jpg

What's different about this bumper covers is that unlike a bodykit that's moulded to the main body, this things keep the body-bumper gap that usually exists in a bug.

[ECBug]

Looks good! Some wheels and a drop and your good to go.

[EvilAngel]

Thanks! BTW, I'm just waiting for my dropped spindles to arrive so i can check clearance before i choose my wheels. :D

[ECBug]

Good deal.

[oasis]

But ... why can't one have a Kamei spoiler and a bumper cover assuming both can be found?

[EvilAngel]

Well i don't see why not, appareantly both cant be mounted at the same time.

[volkdent]

My only reason for saying it was ricey is that IMO it doesn't add anything to the car, in fact, it may even be worse aerodynamically. When I see the guys with 100 extra lbs of fiberglass, bondo, and paint on their Hondas with a coffee can exhaust tip that adds nothing to the performance and makes it worse too, and the majority of those modifications are on cars that actually are 'ricers', it just a shoe fits kinda thing. I don't think it looks bad at all, and yes I'm talking about the 'Sport GT' cover, but the others, along with the Aero fenders from Aus, try to limit the amount of air that goes under the car, while that cover looks to be a similar if not worse shape for a 'dam' than the stock bug front end, and also has extra drag incorporated into it. So it wasn't a slam at all, I just feel the German Look thing tends to focus on performance enhancing modifications, and that is the name of this site. Fellow's front 'dam' is not that attractive to me either, but I bet it works really well, and his car is IMO definately German Look! I'll be bulding one with a similar theme to that, working on making it a little more attractive at the same time, just to satisfy my personal "Look" needs!:laugh:

[EvilAngel]

volkdent, i agree with you saying that it probably adds nothing to the bug's aerodynamics, and it does add weight. And yes, GL is all about "form follows function", and using these covers is really not about function. I'm using them mainly because i wanted foglights, (which is a function, tough not a performance enhancement). Anyway, i want to see how it looks/deflects air after i drop the car, and i've been thinking about closing the air dam holes in the covers, and probably molding it to a different shape, to be a real arodynamic enhancement. That or just putting a kamei underneath, if i ever manage to get one

On a different note, my car was crashed about six months ago, and i had the front cover replaced with one with much smaller dam vents (don't know where the insurance got it from), and the shape of the current cover is such that the air will crash with the car body and not with the cover, at the lowest part of the front midline. Interestingly, this leaves a shape that, when looked from the front, reminds the air deflecting fenders from australia.

[oasis]

Bumpers are a grey area with German Look as far as I am concerned.

Any bumper that adds the function of safety is going to have weight. Standard bumpers by their very design stick out. Carbon fiber bumpers are strictly for show as they would explode under any meaningful impact. No one makes a carbon-kevlar hybrid.

At least the bumper cover eliminates the space between bumper and body. That should aid some in aerodynamics even if its lower profile and rounded features do not.

I have trouble believing the cover weighs 100 pounds. Being on the front, it should help the percentage of weight distribution front-to-back.

[EvilAngel]

I have trouble believing the cover weighs 100 pounds. Being on the front, it should help the percentage of weight distribution front-to-back.

Well they dont eliminate the space, but they reduce it GREATLY. And there is a rear cover too, so there may not be so effective with weight distribution, unless of course you only use one. They actually weight about 15 punds (aprox)

[Veedub]

hey since you guys are on the subject of spoilers. :D
can a kamei spoiler work on the stock 72 standard bug bumper?it looks pretty cool.not really a fan of that bumper cover, it looks good on your car but it would look terrible on my bug:laugh:

[ECBug]

It would be cool if you could add a scoop or something to the holes in the bumper cover and run ducts to cool the brakes or even for a bit of fresh air in the car.

[oasis]

can a kamei spoiler work on the stock 72 standard bug bumper?

There are Kamei front spoilers available for '68-'73 standards and Supers. Just make sure when you order, you are getting the right one.

Link to US distributor (http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=EXA0009&cartid=)

EDIT: I saw this ad (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=404648) during lunch. (I do not know the seller and have no connection with the ad other than its reporting).

[EvilAngel]

Well that's one of the cool things about GL, there's no strict set of rules. BTW I will add a kamei under the cover when the time comes, and it wont be apparent.

[Carbon Joe]

Now that I'm making bumpers, would anyone be interested in a combination bumper/spoiler? What I'm thinking is joining a C/F bumper with a C/F Kamie spoiler making them one peace. I would use a 68/73 bumper with or without signals and reshape the spoiler a bit. I also want to add vents and maybe lights to the spoiler, what do you think good idea, bad idea, anyone interested???

[volkdent]

I'm thinking good idea if you use a Kevlar mix? Wouldn't the CF crack when a curb or somthing is hit? How many ply? How thick? CF is just to rigid to flex isn't it?

Jason

[Carbon Joe]

The bumpers are about .100 thick I could make the spoiler a little thinner. I was thinking of shortening the spoiler about an inch at the bottom and adding a replaceable rubber lip, kind of like a scraper. Do you think that would work?

[chug_A_bug]

I'm so in on that :) what would be sweet.

Chris.

[Bullyboy]

I would like to see a kamei spoiler copy that would work on early cars. Mines a 61' .

[oasis]

Now that I'm making bumpers, ...

You are?

That's great news.

I have some planning and replanning to do.

[Carbon Joe]

You are?

That's great news.

I have some planning and replanning to do.

Yes, I have the molds for 74/79 bumpers and I'm working on a set of 68/73 I'm not sure if anyone would want early C/F bumpers.

Bullyboy,
I'll look into it.

I'm also working on the molds for C/F bumper brackets for 68/73 bumpers.

[Phat73VW]

Now that I'm making bumpers, would anyone be interested in a combination bumper/spoiler? What I'm thinking is joining a C/F bumper with a C/F Kamie spoiler making them one peace. I would use a 68/73 bumper with or without signals and reshape the spoiler a bit. I also want to add vents and maybe lights to the spoiler, what do you think good idea, bad idea, anyone interested???

Like I said to you before I would be interested especially since it would utilize the 68-73 bumper size. You have email Joe!!

[ECBug]

I'd like to see the combo myself. I could dig that.

[oasis]

I'm working on a set of 68/73 ... bumpers.

I'm also working on the molds for C/F bumper brackets for 68/73 bumpers.

I assume that means kevlar-carbon is possible, too.

Also, would a genuine Kamei spoiler and driving lights be able to bolt on?

[Carbon Joe]

I assume that means kevlar-carbon is possible, too.

Also, would a genuine Kamei spoiler and driving lights be able to bolt on?

Yes, kevlar-carbon is possible. As fore the lights, I'd like to get everyone's ideas and opinions on what would be the best lights to use.

[Humble]

Quick question for ya. I've got 3"+ wider front fenders on my 72 super and would love to get a combo bumper/spoiler but I'm kind of a one off deal. How hard is is to cut and splice CF? Take your bumper and add 6-7" in the middle of it to clear fenders/tires and generally be more effective.

[oasis]

Thanks for the responses and the info. This is great news indeed.

I'd like to get everyone's ideas and opinions on what would be the best lights to use.
I will send a personal e-mail as my ideas are not likely to be the same as the consensus.

[volkdent]

I would LOVE some early CF bumpers! What sort of time frame and costs?

Jason

[jrinlv]

yeah any idea on price and turn around? JR

[Carbon Joe]

I would LOVE some early CF bumpers! What sort of time frame and costs?

Jason

yeah any idea on price and turn around? JR

It would take me two to four weeks to make the molds and a set of early bumpers. The cost would be around $380.00 a pair plus shipping.

[Carbon Joe]

Quick question for ya. I've got 3"+ wider front fenders on my 72 super and would love to get a combo bumper/spoiler but I'm kind of a one off deal. How hard is is to cut and splice CF? Take your bumper and add 6-7" in the middle of it to clear fenders/tires and generally be more effective.

I think the best thing to do is make the bumper/spoiler out of fiberglass and then splice in the 6-7" in the middle then pant it. Doing out of carbon, would be allot of work and wouldn't look to good. If you want fit and function then fiberglass spliced and painted is the way to go.

[oasis]

Why not use a front bumper on the rear? It may not be enough for total coverage with fenders that are three inches wider but it may be enough extra in length to work effectively anyway. (Someone will have to measure for specifics.)

[Carbon Joe]

Why not use a front bumper on the rear?
This dose work, people with wide rear fenders have been using front bumpers in the rear. I've been selling allot of people two front bumpers.

[Bullyboy]

CCC 1.1/4" wider rear fenders with stock front bumper
Most people have no idea they are wider than stock but they can't figure out how you got 7" deep dish rims on it:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid205/p2fd736149b870639623b35b74e3cffe8/ef16cfe5.jpg

[LLVWGL]

There are Kamei front spoilers available for '68-'73 standards and Supers. Just make sure when you order, you are getting the right one.

Link to US distributor (http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=EXA0009&cartid=)

EDIT: I saw this ad (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=404648) during lunch. (I do not know the seller and have no connection with the ad other than its reporting).


LOL, that is an OLD picture of my car!


CarbonJoe: I am also interested in a bumper/spoiler combo.

[Chisel86]

I might be interested in it. Depends on the cash flow.:)

[Wally]

Finally mounted my front 'spoiler' :

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/45774.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/45775.jpg

It only costed 15 euros :D

[ECBug]

Wally, where did you find that spoiler?
I like it.,

[Wally]

Psst: don't tell any-one, but its an early model Golf/Rabbit front lip ;)

[Komet]

Finally mounted my front 'spoiler' :

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/45774.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/45775.jpg

It only costed 15 euros :DThat looks AWESOME! How did you mount it, and would you know if later model lips (maybe bigger ones) would fit as well?

[Wally]

Just mounted with bolts and srews through the lowest part of the front apron. Used the original mounting holes in the spoiler for it. Needed to use self-threading screws for the fiberglass fenders, but other than that, its sooo easy by just looking at the part and your car..
Don't know about the GTI- deeper lip spoiler, but that may be too much spoiler for this mounting method. No experience with it.

[bow]

ive been playing around with a rear spoiler on the front just moded a bit to fit

[lowbox]

I made mine from a chevy truck bumper cover http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1127/2939/1600/DSC02524.jpg

[flat_iv]

lowbox,

What year and model chevy truck di your spoiler come from?

[hemitheus]

Well as you can see from my tiny avatar i've got the bottom one. I really cannot say if it improves aerodynamics or not, since my project is still beginning and i still have a stock 1600cc, and cannot achieve important speeds. Anyway, just for the record, that kit also includes a rear bumper cover. BTW my front cover does NOT have the "Sport GT" letters, so it may be a little less ricey (if any).
I really don't think it'll hurt aerodynamics, but it probably won't help either

Where did you get your bumper covers? I like the look but dont like the sportGT script on the front. I may have to order them over the phone in mexico and have them sent to AZ

[lowbox]

lowbox,

What year and model chevy truck di your spoiler come from?

this is what i used's you have to cut some out of the center then put back together, then trim the end's to your likeing , 2001 tahoe
FRONT BUMPER FILLER
Upper Cover, Textured-Black
from: parts train
Part Number
20113

OEM Number


Oversized Item.


Sale Price:$28.25
List Price: $47.08

Availability: In Stock

[EvilAngel]

Where did you get your bumper covers? I like the look but dont like the sportGT script on the front. I may have to order them over the phone in mexico and have them sent to AZ


Got them from a local accesory shop. They are made by automagic.
http://www.auto-magic.com.mx/ (in spanish) Probably memo imports sells them there, they have lots of stuff from the mexican market

However I'm removing them soon, it's fiberglass, and didnt resist a crash :rolleyes:

There's a similar one made by airdesign, aka erebuni, which is much better quality (although I dont like the look). It's made out of urethane

http://www.airdesign.com.mx/catalog/images/01vc_l.jpg

[hemitheus]

Nice, thanks.

I also like the auto-magic one better. I would just need to fabricate a spoiler to go along with it.

[rpdub]

Carbon Joe,
I would also be interested in your CF/Kevlar bumber set, if it's happening. I have a 65 body that I'm working with, but as long as I can get them mounted...
My fenders will be 2, or 3" wider than stock.

[Chris Percival]

Here is a mine taking shape!

http://www.fastbug.net/drupalfiles/images/IMG_2531.preview.JPG

More info at fastbug.net (http://www.fastbug.net)..

[jrinlv]

Wow that looks good, do you have any more pics? Thats a super right?

I have decided to cut my Kamei and use a plastic welding kit to use the scrap and make mounts on the backside so I can run it with no bumpers, mounting it right to the car. Good thing i got it cheap...JR

[Chris Percival]

Yeah, its an '03..

http://www.fastbug.net/drupalfiles/images/IMG_2530.preview.JPG

[hemitheus]

Thats just pretty.... BEAUTIFUL work

[trevorbrady]

I had wondered what a VW Funcup front spoiler would look like on a road car, then I found these pics:

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/submitted/SteelCity0180.jpg

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/submitted/SteelCity0181.jpg

I think it's a little OTT for a road car.

Apologies if these pics are a repost... :)

[bow]

it looks out of place with no rear skirt as well as side skirts

[1303R]

i'm sure that fun cup spoiler wouldn't look as bad if done right, car jus seams too much of a mix of styles.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/1303rwasser/goodwoodsmudge.jpg~original
here's my car, spoiler looks like it's based on a early 911. i'm using the big hole for a radiator, not fitted in this pic.

[Wally]

I think that looks very well indeed. Matching almost perfectly to the super body!

[JIMP]

Hello 1303R

is that spoiler from Kerscher or am I mistaking?

Cheers

JIMP

[punchbuggyracer]

on the GWD web site the is a black beetle with a great front spoiler anyone know were this one can be purchased?

[1303R]

hey, my front bumper/ spolier came from a company that has now shut down. i had to widen it 4 inch's and also reshaped top to flush fit it.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/1303rwasser/spoiler.jpg~original

[hemitheus]

I had wondered what a VW Funcup front spoiler would look like on a road car, then I found these pics:

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/submitted/SteelCity0180.jpg

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/submitted/SteelCity0181.jpg

I think it's a little OTT for a road car.

Apologies if these pics are a repost... :)

That funcup front is amazing. I have been searching high and low on the net trying to find sumn like this. Although i do agree the sides and rear need something to tie it all in together.