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Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:49
hi all, I'm so happy because that was the first night when my bug slept in the garage. It's almost ready, I'm waiting only for the c/f running boards, some other small c/f parts and some carpets. It is a daily driver, powered by a 2.0L Type IV which is stock at the moment. enjoy the pics

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp469.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:49
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp505.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:50
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp501.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:50
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp478.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:51
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp487.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 17th 2006, 18:53
the barchetta handles installed:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp474.jpg~original

chug_A_bug
August 17th 2006, 19:10
just have to say very nice job send more pics when you get you CF that will just set it off I think ;)

Panelfantastic
August 17th 2006, 19:25
Very nice!

bow
August 17th 2006, 20:00
sweet car! got any pics of the motor that exhaust system looks kinda tricky the way it is in the front of the fender. more pics!!!

MikeVW
August 17th 2006, 22:21
:agree: Looks like a runner! Post some pics of huge burnouts.

Mike

56oval
August 18th 2006, 01:23
very nice good clean lines door handleslookgreat:agree: :)

krems
August 18th 2006, 05:19
wow, inspiration :agree:

ccain529
August 18th 2006, 13:05
Beautiful! I love the color!
Good Job!!!

Cheers

Mikeyworks
August 18th 2006, 15:20
I know you said the engine was stock...but do you have any pics of it and the engine bay?

Thanks,
Mikey

Yellow69
August 19th 2006, 23:21
OMG! :eek: That's one HOT BUG!

I've been droolin' http://www.viggy.com/forum/icon_smile_tongue_jumbo.gifover it ever since you posted the pics the other day. I would have said something sooner but I just picked my jaw up off my keyboard. I couldn't type with it in the way. ;)

Amazing! Brilliant! I love the seats and those door handles are awesome!!

OK...I'm gonna stop running off at the mouth. I could go on all night about your car but then I would never get anything done!

MORE PICS PLEASE!!!! http://www.the-core.gr/forum/images/smilies/custom1/drooling.gif Oh...and does anyone have a tissue?

Bogara_ZO
August 21st 2006, 16:24
thnx for theese nice words;)

some pics about the engine + exhaust:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp437.jpg~original

dubKustom
August 22nd 2006, 05:58
Very nice car! Cool to see such cars being driven on the street...

I like the stance, how much lowering have you done in the front, any narrowing, tire/rim size?

Cheers Daniel

Bogara_ZO
August 22nd 2006, 08:07
Very nice car! Cool to see such cars being driven on the street...

I like the stance, how much lowering have you done in the front, any narrowing, tire/rim size?

Cheers Daniel

2" narrowed beam & CB dropped spindles. Torsions on the maximum height at the moment...I can just lower it :D Actually 205/45X16 tyres on 7,5x16 Momo wheels (offset 35) and 20 mm spacers in all corners for better clearance in the inner side

wrenchnride247
August 22nd 2006, 11:26
Bogara_ZO, how are you cooling your oil down? From what I see there's no fan cooling the oil cooler. Over time this will have bad results in my opinion. The header sitting next to the cooler doesn't help either. You have a very nice ride, and I'm just trying to help keep it running as good as it looks:) .

Bogara_ZO
August 22nd 2006, 12:40
this is the real color of it :D
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/szn.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 22nd 2006, 12:42
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp513.jpg~original

Soul
August 22nd 2006, 16:26
I have to say that I like it!:agree:

Yellow69
August 22nd 2006, 21:45
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/szn.jpg~originalhttp://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp513.jpg~original

:eek: I need to be defibulated!

That color is AMAZING! Im having serious heart palpitations!!!

Chris Percival
August 23rd 2006, 16:25
Very cool. I like!!

Bogara_ZO
August 24th 2006, 11:49
Very cool. I like!!

thnx! have you bought the GWD yet????

Chris Percival
August 24th 2006, 16:09
thnx! have you bought the GWD yet????

I don't understand?

chug_A_bug
August 24th 2006, 18:30
hey Bogara_ZO where can I order a GWD shifter??

Bogara_ZO
August 25th 2006, 13:58
I don't understand?

Somewhere in this forum you were asking about the GWD and mentioned that you are planning to buy one. I just wanted to know if you have bought it yet or not? I think it was in Speedy's topic.

@chug: it that topic there is a link of the original producer of theese trans.

cheers: zo

Bogara_ZO
August 25th 2006, 14:03
@ chug, yeah it was here in the topic "rebuild pictures"

Chris Percival
August 25th 2006, 14:22
Somewhere in this forum you were asking about the GWD and mentioned that you are planning to buy one. I just wanted to know if you have bought it yet or not? I think it was in Speedy's topic.

Shifter? If so, then yes, I did. http://www.fastbug.net/?q=node/109 (though its not actually made by GWD...)

Bogara_ZO
August 25th 2006, 14:39
Shifter? If so, then yes, I did. http://www.fastbug.net/?q=node/109 (though its not actually made by GWD...)

That's it! Very very nice :agree: It makes me crazy...installed yet??? If yes, how is it?? I'm collecting all the experiences about it, on my future wish list it is on the first place ;)

Bogara_ZO
October 24th 2006, 18:37
here are some new pics of the car (finally I got my c/f running boards. only the c/f "inserts" in the bumpers are missing, and now I'm fightning for the smaller plate on the back)

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp560.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
October 24th 2006, 18:39
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp562.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp554.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp557.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
October 24th 2006, 18:40
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/499_101.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/26417137.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp549.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
October 24th 2006, 18:42
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp563.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp561.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp558.jpg~original

volkdent
October 24th 2006, 19:18
Looking very nice! Can you show pics of how the doorhandles work? I have never seen those before.

Jason

freekazoid
October 24th 2006, 22:40
The car looks beautiful. I hope your going to paint the inserts on those Momo's to match. I wish I could find a set of those wheels they might work great for my ghia.

Bogara_ZO
October 25th 2006, 12:22
Looking very nice! Can you show pics of how the doorhandles work? I have never seen those before.

Jason

thnx. there should be a topic about it in the "interior/electrical" (i made a mistake :mad: ) section called "my new door-handles" or stg like this. there are more pics & infos about them. cheers: zo

Bogara_ZO
October 25th 2006, 12:42
The car looks beautiful. I hope your going to paint the inserts on those Momo's to match. I wish I could find a set of those wheels they might work great for my ghia.

thanks for the nice words! well, originally when I bought them 2 years ago I had the same idea. But since the car has been reborn, and got the smoked tail lights, tinted windows, and c/f parts I had changed my mind..

If I find something I really like in 17" or 18" I'll change them. In this case the factory coloured inserts are better.

This is how it would look with yellow inserts:
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/felnim.jpg~original

chris7ian
December 18th 2006, 14:48
no, no, 17s, Black Spokes and a yellow lip ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/chris7ian/VZi/Kp560.jpg~original

looking sweet - I see you went for the tinted front screen :)
are those LEDs I see in the rear light clusters? :agree:

ECBug
December 20th 2006, 21:49
You getting bumper inlays?
Where?

freekazoid
December 22nd 2006, 00:52
Here is a fast mock up I did with the wheels painted yellow. I think the car looks great as it is, the inserts give a nice offset even without being painted. It would be sick if you got the inserts covered in a carbon fiber film, or even have them duplicated as carbon fiber.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/JesseAhluwalia/yelloVW.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
January 14th 2007, 16:50
no, no, 17s, Black Spokes and a yellow lip ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/chris7ian/VZi/Kp560.jpg~original

looking sweet - I see you went for the tinted front screen
are those LEDs I see in the rear light clusters?

great idea, thanks! really like it :agree:
yes, I have led tail lights, they are custom made but they looks smart in dark. The whole light is red when it's on. When breaking, the center is brighter, if i use the turn signal the upper quarter changes between light red and yellow. I'll do some pics and load them up. thnx again for the idea, really like it.

the front screen is stock, it just seems like a tinted one

Bogara_ZO
January 14th 2007, 16:52
You getting bumper inlays?
Where?

are you talking about the c/f "inlays" in the bumper? the man who made the other c/f parts will make it.

zen
January 17th 2007, 09:53
excellent job. looks fantastic!!!!

mini_kris
January 26th 2007, 18:47
love it, keep up the good work everything works about it especially the colour and the wheels! :cool:

Kataplun
February 27th 2007, 00:29
barchetta handles, where can i get me some of thoes ?

Bogara_ZO
February 28th 2007, 06:19
barchetta handles, where can i get me some of thoes ?

In the states I have no idea. In europe it's not so complicated. Mines were brand new in box, bought them from a FIAT dealer.

Bogara_ZO
February 28th 2007, 06:20
just got the c/f bumper inlays, I'll take pics soon :cool:

1200jubi
March 5th 2007, 15:48
hi all, I'm so happy because that was the first night when my bug slept in the garage. It's almost ready, I'm waiting only for the c/f running boards, some other small c/f parts and some carpets. It is a daily driver, powered by a 2.0L Type IV which is stock at the moment. enjoy the pics

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/Kp469.jpg~original

Hey Bogara!

Congratulation - its been a nice and beautiful bug.

Can you plese tell me how youve installed the porsche fan in the dog-house? Some nearer pictures would be nice. I like it very!

Thx

yours

1200jubi:)

Bogara_ZO
March 20th 2007, 09:54
Can you plese tell me how youve installed the porsche fan in the dog-house? Some nearer pictures would be nice.

I made some pics for you, hope it'll help.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2346.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2348.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2349.jpg~original

1200jubi
March 21st 2007, 04:38
Hey Bogara!

Thanks - yes - you helped me a lot.:agree:

Actually Im looking forward to a porsche fan - 5 or 11 arms and Id like to implant it into my bus *gg*

How did you fix the fan on the inside?

Yours

1200jubi

yellow73
March 28th 2007, 22:57
That is a really cool car. I like it a lot. You have a lot of good ideas.
Thanks for all the pictures.

Bogara_ZO
April 20th 2007, 06:22
hey guys, here are some of the latest pics, with plates on their final place and with the c/f bumper inlays installed. I really like them, i think it was a good idea...enjoy. cheers: zo
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2693.jpg~original
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2694.jpg~original
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2695.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
April 20th 2007, 06:23
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2696.jpg~original
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2699.jpg~original
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/my%20bug/IMG_2697.jpg~original

oasis
April 20th 2007, 11:52
Gorgeous car! Nice detailed work, too! :agree: :agree:

Scotts73SB
April 21st 2007, 23:35
Shes a beauty!!!! Great job!!:agree:

ECBug
April 22nd 2007, 11:12
Where you get the inlays?

Bogara_ZO
April 22nd 2007, 13:12
Where you get the inlays?

they were made especially for this car. As it is not a very complicated thing, I think anybody can prepare it who has some kind of experience with making c/f parts

Bogara_ZO
August 10th 2007, 06:06
a little video: going home, after that some nice pfhotos were taken by a VW Magazine ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGzZpRBMcU

nbturbo
August 11th 2007, 00:06
Geezuz that's a beautiful paint job-nice colour as well(yellow is my favourite colour)

Bogara_ZO
September 27th 2007, 09:35
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3792_2.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3793.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3794.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
September 27th 2007, 09:36
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3803.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3816.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/felnik/IMG_3800.jpg~original

JoeZG
December 5th 2007, 17:36
Come to Rovwinj 2008 www.vwbuba.hr

Bogara_ZO
December 18th 2007, 20:12
Come to Rovwinj 2008 www.vwbuba.hr

will try to!! great idea!!
I don't find any infos aobut the 2008 event :confused: please send me all the infos I have to know about it. Here or my email: bogara_zo@freemail.hu

fuzzybear1981
January 8th 2008, 11:26
fantastic look.... very inspirational....couple of things....where did u get ur mirrors and where did u get the door handles??? fantastic

Bogara_ZO
January 13th 2008, 17:35
fantastic look.... very inspirational....couple of things....where did u get ur mirrors and where did u get the door handles??? fantastic

thanks, the mirrors are Vitaloni California, I have ordered them from damontweeks.co.uk but ebay (french, italian, english) is full of them..

The handles are from a FIAT Barchetta

Will post some more pics of the new type4 engine soon :D

Bogara_ZO
September 3rd 2009, 11:52
hi everybody. One of my friend has made som HQ pics of the car, if anybody is interested in it, click here:

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/index.html

Some of my favourites:)

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/images/BogaraZo04.jpg

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/images/BogaraZo05.jpg

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/images/BogaraZo13.jpg

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/images/BogaraZo20.jpg

http://zeke99751.uw.hu/Photography/BogaraZo/images/BogaraZo21.jpg

Actually I have a stock 1600 ccm type 1 in the back, because we are (re)building my type IV during this year. After the engine project I'm planning to change the rims and give a more agressive look to the car..we'll see

NO_H2O
September 3rd 2009, 12:15
Very nice car and good looking shots.

volkdent
September 11th 2009, 16:24
Very nice, thanks!

Jason

Bogara_ZO
February 5th 2010, 06:24
After the summer, I gave back the 1.6 type1, and continued working on my type4. Actually the block itself is ready with all the goodies inside. I have to install the cooling, the carbs, the ignition, the exhaust and the oil-cooling system..so there are things to do. Here are some specs of the engine:

It will be a 2056 ccm engine for my daily driver

- Stock crankcshaft + polished conrods + lightened flywheel (fully balanced)
- 96 mm AA Pistons
- Porsche 914 heads (Jake Raby 44/36 valves, 9,5:1 compression)
- Jake Raby Super Valvetrain kit (Cam, gear, springs, retainers, keepers, pushrods etc.)
- Willibald manifolds
- bosch el. ignition
- Porsche cooling
- 228 mm Clutch
- B.A.S. Exhaust
- B.A.S. linkage for carbs
- New Weber 44 IDFs
- EARLS AN fittings
- the exhaust doesn't allow me to use my dry-sump pump, so I have to go with the 30mm Schadek :-/

Some pics:
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1216379482.jpg
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1216379465.jpg
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1205872453.jpg
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1200071070.jpg

andrimot
February 7th 2010, 11:44
hi
very nice car and in in different level from the start

As the front axles beetles are rariest in gl scene than macpherson ones iam sure you gone end with a top one!

;)

Bogara_ZO
April 15th 2010, 07:31
An other big step.. they've arrived yesterday :cool: I hope the gold face will match to the colour of the car..I'm not sure yet (will try them on next week)

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/bbslm.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/Bp6M6kgB2kKGrHqQH-CwEuYw1oB-IBLtcKJ.jpg~original

Xellex
April 15th 2010, 11:45
I can't see the last 2 pics :(

Bogara_ZO
April 15th 2010, 14:57
I can't see the last 2 pics :(

my bad, sorry. try now;)

petevw
April 15th 2010, 15:11
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/bbslm.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/Bp6M6kgB2kKGrHqQH-CwEuYw1oB-IBLtcKJ.jpg~original

I love the LM's. They'll look great on your car. Detail them with a polished lip, and repaint the centers with the BBS gold.

What size are they? Bolt pattern?

Pete

Bogara_ZO
April 15th 2010, 15:24
I love the LM's. They'll look great on your car. Detail them with a polished lip, and repaint the centers with the BBS gold.

What size are they? Bolt pattern?

Pete

Thanks, yep they definatley need a bit of care..but come on it's just the first day I got them :) I'll repolish the lips but will leave the centres as is since they are genuine BBS gold in an acceptable condition. (if the colour will match with the car).

I was looking for a non staggered set for a while, all of them are 7,5x17 ET38 (offset), 5x112 with 57,1 centre bore so made for VW, AUDI, Mercedes whatever..

Brake upgrade required, but trying to finish the engine first of all..

Bogara_ZO
June 1st 2010, 04:54
Hi,

some progress with the wheels: I was very disappointed that the original BBS gold didn't match the car at all..so I have decided to refurb the wheels and give them a custom paint job. Barrels got polished lips, centres became grey (with gold effect, very cool in sunshine) and still confused about the colour of the bolts.

Actually this is the only picture uploaded, but more than nothing. You can see the BBS logo stamped in the wheel kept it's original colour, it looks sweet IMO. More pics to come

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1275384789.jpg

NO_H2O
June 1st 2010, 07:16
Those should look sweet on the car. I would go with black lug bolts.

ragtop81
June 3rd 2010, 04:04
wow! progressing...day to day, congratulations!

Bogara_ZO
June 4th 2010, 14:51
still not the best picture but can give some idea how they will look. Still confused about the colour of the nuts, can't decide between black or gold (anodized)

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1275731164.jpg

Xellex
June 5th 2010, 08:20
wow the wheels are beautiful! I would go for black. I think gold is too much, but I could be wrong :)

NO_H2O
June 5th 2010, 08:23
Wheels look great.

Bug@5speed(US)
June 5th 2010, 15:34
Man those are nice..
+1 for black..
Alex

Humble
June 5th 2010, 19:01
Love the wheels, can't wait to see them on the car.

another +1 for black, gold will look dirtier faster and be harder to clean once assembled. Black is good at hiding dirt and brake dust :) I tried the same thing with zinc coating wheel nuts and the only looked great for a while

Bogara_ZO
June 7th 2010, 11:11
Hey guys, thanks for the help, will go with black nuts .. next step is putting all the wheels together and fit the tyres.

In the meantime I have started playing with the brakes as well.

The plans are the following:
Front: 4 piston brembos with 316x28 vented discs (Mercedes)
Back: 4 piston brembos with 300x28 vented discs (Mercedes)
Handbrake: drum-style handbrake (Mercedes) or hydro
Wilwood brake bias valve
Bigger master cylinder
As you can see it is not a plug and play setup, but an other challange to be done..
Btw what do you think about the colour of the calipers?
1, Red calipers with gold Brembo lettering
2, Gold calipers with grey lettering
3, grey calipers with gold lettering
4, tell me the best

ragtop81
June 7th 2010, 11:11
Definitively in black chord goes to your VW

volkdent
June 8th 2010, 00:23
Gold with Grey lettering is my vote, subtle yet conrasting.

Jason

Bogara_ZO
June 11th 2010, 13:18
Not too much, but some calipers arrived today :cool: Good to know that the LM clears them perfectly without spacers

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp539-1.jpg?t=1276276233~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp544.jpg?t=1276276232~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp541.jpg?t=1276276232~original

Bogara_ZO
July 8th 2010, 04:47
Yesterday was the day of the first start of the engine. No oil leaks & healthy sound.. everything seems OK :) I've decided to match the color of the fanshroud with the wheels not with the car

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/1.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/2.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/3.jpg~original

scourtaud
July 13th 2010, 11:02
Hi,

This is a neat looking car... And this engine is very beautifull... Hope it stays as clean as it now is...

Regards

Sebastien

Bogara_ZO
July 16th 2010, 12:11
Here is a short video of the engine if you're interested. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yMekwWfpdU

after that some oil appeared under the engine..still not sure where it is from :( I would say the oil filler or the tube of the pushrod but have to check it again.

Bogara_ZO
July 16th 2010, 12:25
And the brakes I'm planning to use..
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/fkek.jpg~original

Bogara_ZO
August 4th 2010, 12:59
Worked a bit on the car

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp546.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp547.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/kp551.jpg~original

Jim
August 4th 2010, 13:08
Nice touches there!!!

NO_H2O
August 4th 2010, 17:29
Looking good.

johnnyvee
August 5th 2010, 18:23
where did you purchase the pedals from

Bogara_ZO
August 6th 2010, 03:42
where did you purchase the pedals from

Ebay (UK) seller: Ian5718

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1270412563.jpg

Bogara_ZO
April 13th 2011, 07:01
Hi, not too much to share, but at least the car is on the road again. New wheels and some new parts in the interior (steering wheel, shifter, pedals, oil pressure and temperature gauges, Sparco harnesses) for now. The breaks will be the winter project

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1302684776.jpg

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1302684787.jpg

http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1302617346.jpg

Bogara_ZO
April 13th 2011, 07:27
Now the bad point. I had some issues with the type4. One of the bushings (?) of the spark plugs had to be fixed -> engine came out, heads off (I repaired all of them)

Since the engine was out I picked out the lifters and pushrods as well to check if everything was OK with them. And I found this:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/RATLifters6.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/RATLifters5.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/RATLifters7.jpg~original

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n112/Bogara_ZO/RATLifters4.jpg~original

You can feel the little holes with your fingers on the top and side as well..now please tell me what do you think about it? Material defect or what? Has anybody seen lifters like theese?

I ordered the complete valvetrain kit as a package, so parts should work together well. The engine ran nearly half an hour (oil was OK) so the break in procedure has NOT finished yet..that's why I'm not sure about what to do. Try other lifters or keep theese :confused:

Lazarus
April 13th 2011, 21:28
the camface on those look almost identical to the ones in my engine. i pulled them after my trip to and from daytona for winterjam last year. those side shots are a little strange. i woulld like to hear some other opinions though.

volky00
April 14th 2011, 11:39
where can i get those front bumper lights?? any link?
thanks in advance.

Gerrelt
April 14th 2011, 12:57
Very nice car! I like the new wheels.

Humble
April 14th 2011, 15:32
I don't like the look of those lifters at all and I'm not sure what that 2nd pic is with the deposits. I hate to say it but a "peace of mind" tear down might be in order. With wear like that, even on a new motor, I would pull it all out and check all bearings and wear surfaces. Probably not the answer you want to hear but that's what I would do.

volkdent
April 14th 2011, 20:09
Bad casting is my guess, if the bores are OK you might be able to get away with just putting in new lifters.

Jason

Bruce.
April 15th 2011, 04:03
I'd email the photos to the seller (Jake?) and see what he says.

One question, do you still have the short loop of pipe attached to the oil ports on the case or has that changed?

Bogara_ZO
April 18th 2011, 05:10
where can i get those front bumper lights?? any link?
thanks in advance.

they are the smoked version of original vw golf (rabbit) MKI-II lights, so easy to find.

Bogara_ZO
April 18th 2011, 05:36
I don't like the look of those lifters at all and I'm not sure what that 2nd pic is with the deposits. I hate to say it but a "peace of mind" tear down might be in order. With wear like that, even on a new motor, I would pull it all out and check all bearings and wear surfaces. Probably not the answer you want to hear but that's what I would do.

Bad casting is my guess, if the bores are OK you might be able to get away with just putting in new lifters.

Jason

I'd email the photos to the seller (Jake?) and see what he says.

One question, do you still have the short loop of pipe attached to the oil ports on the case or has that changed?

Thanks for the comments guys.

I have contacted the seller immediately, he adviced me to keep using the lifters and finish the break-in. Other lifters may demage the cam and maybe I was using poor oil during the break in.

I'm with Jason about bad casting, so not sure about putting them back. Tried, but was not able to get the same lifters as can't be purchased separately...so I got an other set from ebay, but it seems gambling to see if they go well with the cam.

I hear you Humble and I'm afraid you're right..but maybe I will give a chance for the new lifters. If they work than it's happy end, otherwise tear down should be done.

@Bruce: if you refer to the oil cooler adapter (red one), the answer is yes it is still connected with that pipe. Why are you asking that?

effvee
April 18th 2011, 08:19
Hi, one thing I have noticed about VW cams; the case hardness. I had a 2332 type one chew up some lifters just like that. It is my understanding that most cams come some-wat hardened. However the lifter are harden. From what I remember in the first start up we should run up the rpm to 2500-3000 for about one hour. This is supposed to season the cam, or equally hardened both parts. Something was of lessor hardness, no doubt. My question is, are you to believe that things won't go even more wrong? Even I a know nothing, knows better than that.

The problem is, with VW's doing a cam is just like doing a total overhaul. On my type IV project, I bought a cam from Pauter with a one inch base circle. I was told that the cam would not be any problems. Most sellers of cams don't harden their cams, they send them out. And I wonder just how much do they pay to have their cams tempered. I had my cam re-hardened to 61 Rockwell, I plan to buy a set of hardened 356 styled lifters to match my cam. At one point I want to try and do a roller cam setup. I went to Iskyderian camshafts. I was lucky enough to speak with Ed Iskyderian himself. He did not want to make a one time cam. But he did share something with me; he said roller cams are both equally hardened to the same hardness. Thus me having my cam hardened. I would not send the many bits of metal though out my engine. I also would buy a new cam and have it hardened myself. Lastly get a good set of lifters. On my 356 lifters I had a .020 oil hole laser drilled, did your lifter come with the oil hole? Is you lifters and bore re-bored for type one lifters. To much work and possible engine failure to chance it:o. Is the name Jake the same as Jake Raby? Once you damaged the hardend area, its just surface hardend.

Bogara_ZO
April 18th 2011, 10:12
Hi,

I know in the States that is the common way to break-in an engine. I have read a lot about it and also Jake pointed my attention to this. However I understand the "why" in Europe it is not so popular. I don't know how did you do yours but I know a few engines that skipped this method and all of them still run great.

My question is, are you to believe that things won't go even more wrong?

That is a good question. One hand if something is really wrong, it may cause major failure I know. On the other hand engine never ran without oilfilter, and no metal was found in the oil. + Jake says the lifters will be hardened till the break-in period ends. -> can't decide, lack of experiences.

Yes, the complete valvetrain is from R.A.T., I wanted to purchase a complete set to avoid this kind of issues..but I called him "seller" bacause I really don't want anybody to feel that I'm saying it is Jake's fault, he is selling poor quality products or something like this. I just wanted to show you the facts and ask for your advice. As you can see on his website all the lifters has the oil hole and all of them are parkerized before be selled.

The question is if it's a "user error" and we did something wrong or I'm just unlucky with this set of lifters (like the guys who help building the engine had similar issues with Schleicher and Scat parts as well). **** happens, no one can guarantee what" going on during the production. The bad thing I can't buy a new set of them

Bruce.
April 18th 2011, 16:11
Thanks for the comments guys.

@Bruce: if you refer to the oil cooler adapter (red one), the answer is yes it is still connected with that pipe. Why are you asking that?

I saw two things in the last photo of your engine bay but they may have changed.

First, the engine had no sealing tinwear around it to isolate the fan intake from the hot air around the exhaust. The fan needs cool air to cool the engine. The photo might be out of date of course.

Second, the case had an adapter connected to the oil cooler ports. The short hose linked the output back into the input. I couldn't see any oil cooler on the engine. A t4 with no oil cooler will overheat the oil which is used to cool the bottom end.

Both these issues will overheat the engine but perhaps I missed something :confused:

volky00
April 18th 2011, 16:31
thanks!!!

Bogara_ZO
April 19th 2011, 05:06
I saw two things in the last photo of your engine bay but they may have changed.

First, the engine had no sealing tinwear around it

Second, the case had an adapter connected to the oil cooler ports

I have an external oil cooler mounted in front with hoses, fittings, thermostat whatever and have the tinwear as well but haven't installed them yet. Engine just have been put in the car and a few minutes later the spark-plug issue happened thus engine came out. I didn't drive the car at all so overheating is not a question at the moment.

effvee
April 19th 2011, 09:36
Well, if you can't get a new set (cam/lifters), you will have to just drive it until you develop a engine mis. Good luck:o

NO_H2O
April 19th 2011, 09:47
You can buy a set of those lifters alone. They are Scat Lube-A-Lobe lifters with SLR treatment (Polished/Parkerized). I think aircooled.net sells them. From what I see in the pix, it looks like there is still parkerizing in the pits.

Bogara_ZO
April 19th 2011, 10:04
You can buy a set of those lifters alone. They are Scat Lube-A-Lobe lifters with SLR treatment (Polished/Parkerized). I think aircooled.net sells them. From what I see in the pix, it looks like there is still parkerizing in the pits.

Thanks for the useful information!!

effvee
April 19th 2011, 11:52
I Know in the States that is the common way to break-in an engine. I have read a lot about it and also Jake pointed my attention to this. However I understand the "why" in Europe it is not so popular. I don't know how did you do yours but I know a few engines that skipped this method and all of them still run great.

What are the break in procedures in Europe?

NO_H2O
April 21st 2011, 05:55
I had some pits in the faces of my lifters (same brand). Not as many as you have. I put them back and ran thru the break-in ordeal (3000 RPM for 30 min.) again. Pulled them for inspection (also looked at the cam lobes). I did it a total of 4 times to be sure (total of 2 hrs at 3000 RPM). The faces polished up nice and they are running fine. I did not have any pits in the sides so I cant speak to that.

Bogara_ZO
April 26th 2011, 08:27
I had some pits in the faces of my lifters (same brand). Not as many as you have. I put them back and ran thru the break-in ordeal (3000 RPM for 30 min.) again. Pulled them for inspection (also looked at the cam lobes). I did it a total of 4 times to be sure (total of 2 hrs at 3000 RPM). The faces polished up nice and they are running fine. I did not have any pits in the sides so I cant speak to that.

Great info again, thanks for it. Based on this post and Jake's e-mail I think I will put back mines, do the brake-in to see what happens..will report

vdubzack
April 26th 2011, 10:22
after break-in put some ZDDP additive in the oil to protect it from further wear. Zinc was removed from most motor oils in the late 90's but most older non-cat equipped cars with flat tappet /lifters need it. The pits you see comes from the heat treating and will work harden further during the break-in procedure.

IMPI
April 26th 2011, 12:39
I also wouldnt worry about those lifters. From my own research cams are not really hardened in the sense that they get heat treated to a specific rocwell number. the lobe and follower must be the same or very very close on the hardness scale so that the one may not wear/dig into the other. as the cam an lifters break in this constant motion against each other hammers both surfaces and this hardens the cam surface. a good example is you bending a piece of wire repeatedly as this is done the wire becomes stiifer and eventually breaks. This same process happens with the cam and the lifter and cam becomes progressively harder with use antil the surface is so hard that flabes come off it and this is the pits commonly seen in worn cams and lifters. the pits in your lifters do not resemble that type of pitting as it usually has very sharp edges.

Parkerising as a method does not harden the cam but actually etches the surface uniformly this slightly rough surface is used for two reasons: it retains oil due to the microscopic pits in the metal and also aids in corrosion protection (it was developed as a low cost method of protecting weapons by the US Army)

On your lifters the fact that the photos show them to have rotated is possibly the best news as this mean that the cam and lifters are happy with each other. the moment the lifter stops rotating even the best cam and lifter will be destroyed.

The slight pits is actually good as it will retain lubricant much like the grooves in a bearing.
Armand

NO_H2O
April 26th 2011, 15:10
Lube them back up on the faces with cam/lifter lube. Oil the sides and put them back in the same bores they came out of. Make sure you are using an oil with 1200 ppm ZDDP or higher and do the break-in run again (3K rpm for 30 min.) and see if they are still turning and have no hack marks on the faces.

Bogara_ZO
August 3rd 2011, 12:37
after break-in put some ZDDP additive in the oil to protect it from further wear.

ZDDP should be added just after the break-in? I'm planning to use it during the break-in procedure (and maybe after as well). Is it OK? Thanks

NO_H2O
August 4th 2011, 07:50
At least 1200 ppm ZDDP in your oil at all times. Around 1800 ppm for break-in.

Bogara_ZO
August 5th 2011, 14:26
At least 1200 ppm ZDDP in your oil at all times. Around 1800 ppm for break-in.

Perfect, thanks

Bogara_ZO
January 16th 2012, 11:42
At least 1200 ppm ZDDP in your oil at all times. Around 1800 ppm for break-in.

Thank you for the input guys, engine ran an other 2 hours (ZDDP added) and lifters seems OK (at least better).

Bad news that I've sold the car so engine should stay on the standard for a while. Will open a new topic for the newbie.

Before:
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1302617346.jpg

After :-)
http://img.carstyling.hu/usercars/00/02/94/13/29413_1313568638.jpg