KäferCup 1991/1992 pictures

[Wally]

I have recently digitized some old negatives.

Appetizer:

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/46939.jpg

In this thread are some more pictures:
http://www.keversite.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14912&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Enjoy,
Walter

[wrenchnride247]

Ahhh... the good'ol days! Thanks Walter...:)

[zen]

very cool. keep them coming. let me know if you want to drop some in the GL gallery.

[Wally]

Zen, wrench, just for you guys: Here are some made by another member of 'keversite.nl' who obviously was also there at the time!
I am a bit amazed about the lack of respons to these pics, but anyways here you go:

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47086.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47084.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47081.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47080.jpg

[Wally]

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47079.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47077.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47072.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/47071.jpg

[Sandeep]

Thanks for the pictures Wally !

Some of the rear wheels look massive on some beetles compared to others .. Is this from personal preference or does it have something to do with the classes the cars are running in ?

Love the pictures ! MORE PLEASE !

Sandeep

[Wally]

Thanks for the pictures Wally !

Some of the rear wheels look massive on some beetles compared to others .. Is this from personal preference or does it have something to do with the classes the cars are running in ?

Sandeep
Your very welcome!

I guess its an evolutionairy thing: the cars with the wider wheel ran in Division W4 (type 4 engine unlimited) and were loosing grip very easily with 'normal' size wheels and rubber. What you see on some is max allowed IIRC. For the lesser powered cars, bigger wheel just meant more weight, so they didn't bother (and/or couldn't afford them).
Remember that most were just amateures on a tight budget.

The fastest cars had magnesium 10J-ish BBS 3-piece race rims with slicks ($$$, even today)

Since you asked (but are not taken by me):
http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/userpix/2296_Croix_Fahrerlager_Probst_HPFranzen_Hoef_1.jpg

http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/userpix/2296_Croix_Startvoraufstellung_Rolf_HPFranzen_Seye r_me_1.jpg

http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/userpix/2296_Croix_Henkel_Ich_1.jpg

http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/userpix/2296_Croix_Kurt_brennend_1.jpg

IIRC, these are from a bit earlier years.

[wrenchnride247]

I've looked at this site over the years www.boxerpokal.de seems somebody is still racing them over there. Just not "cup" racing.

[Scotts73SB]

Awesome stuff.... thanks for the scans.... all i do is look and drool...and say.... what if.......


:agree:

[1303R]

wicked! thanks for getting em out

[NO_H2O]

:agree: :agree: very nice pix. Thanks for posting them. Always need more pix.

[bow]

i wanna play!

[OldeFahrt]

Oh, shizzle!
http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/userpix/2296_Croix_Kurt_brennend_1.jpg

[petevw]

Just found this thread... AWESOME pics!:D

[judgie]

awsome pic's and allways a good referance as to what a good race bug should look like :D
has any one got any detail shots or specs of the cars?
i run a 03 in british hill climbs and have been trying to find info on what the kafer cup cars ran. even if it gives me astarting piont for set up. have spent 2 years guessing what might or might not work.
cheers rob

[Wally]

How is your german language these days Rob? :D

[judgie]

hello mate
can just about get buy reading german and my girlfriend can just about speak it so should be able to get by. :D
is it web sites with the info on them?
cheers rob

[Zman]

Great pics!!!!! You can pick up some of the external enhancements, but would love to see some the inside detail as well. Looks like it was great fun. Was this concerned really competitive racing from other folks other than the guys racing or running their cars?

[Wally]

Was this concerned really competitive racing from other folks other than the guys racing or running their cars?
I'll say!
A few of those cars were developed some more (!!) after the Käfer-Cup ended and ran in the Divinol Cup amongst the fastest and latest (of that time) Carrera RSR's in circuit-mode and they were right up there on the podium!

I had asked a question on the german bug-forum about the overhead cammed type 4 engines those guys used in the Divinol Cup (the Holzapfel Overfly engine) and - to my surprise and delight - one of the actual drivers of one of those cars responded!

Some of the photo's pictured there, I copied over here.
For Rob: Here's the link that features all of them:

http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/ftopic10556.html

and the same link on our dutch site but with some other Beetle Cup racing pictures for those who don't want to miss anything ;-)
http://www.keversite.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13609

Have fun!

[petevw]

http://www.bug-talk.de/forum/ftopic10556.html


:eek: :righton: The pics in those threads want me to tear apart my super!

[judgie]

nice one :D looks like i have some reading to do.
my car should be back together soon so will put a thread up about the winters work.
cheers rob

[Zman]

Wally,

Must have been exciting times, that is great. I had seen pictures and heard about the OHC 4 engines before. It would be nice to have one. I am buying a roller cam 4 engine from Jake Raby. Can't wait to get it, this is my second car with a type 4, the one I am driving now has a 2270 Raby Kit I built and it is a screamer. Tons of torque.....

Glad they did the Kafer, it is amazing what comes from racing for all of us that are car (gear) heads.

[Wally]

Very true Gary. Racing does give the most development by far. Most all innovations came from some sort of racing or competition :)

[yellow73]

Thanks for the pictures. They look great, that is what it is all about speed and handling....I did not see a trailer in sight!!!!!

[Wally]

Someone on our board published some more KäferCup pics from the 2 liter Cup 1997:

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85207.jpg

[chug_A_bug]

:eek: The pics in those threads want me to tear apart my super!

DO IT PETE make a race car out of the Super ;)
you have the Split for a GL/show car

BTW nice pics wally :)
Chris.

[Wally]

Pete, the best is yet to come:

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85204.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85205.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85206.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85207.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85208.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85209.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85210.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85211.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85213.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85214.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85215.jpg
http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/85216.jpg

[mccarthy500]

very cool thread. great pictures

[cookvw]

WOW wally... ya VERY EPIC PICS for sure!!! holy COW! now we just need to find some vids! LOL! pics are way cool tho. now im gonna goto my shop and work on my super now!!! thanks!

[DORIGTT]

I saw some on YouTube a while back. Do a search.

[Wally]

Some more were posted by Robbert :D

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100706.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100847.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100848.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100850.jpg

[Wally]

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100851.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100852.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100853.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100854.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100855.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100856.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100857.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100858.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100859.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100860.jpg

http://www.keversite.nl/fotoalbum/fotos/100861.jpg

[chug_A_bug]

great Pics... thanks for Sharing :)

Chris.

[oasis]

Wow! Those are some great pics!

I noticed a variety of wheels being used. Is there a general advantage to using a smaller diameter wheel versus a larger, and vice versa? And in a similar vein, does one reach a point when low-profile tires become too "low"? If so, how does one know prior to making a purchase?

(I wish flared fenders (wings) were available in the states. :( )

[judgie]

Think the wheel selection has more to do with what tyres you could get at the time, 15" rubber was the choice of most motorsport 10 years ago. its only been the last few years that we have gone to bigger and bigger rims.
Main reason i have gone from 15" rims to 17" rims is the tyres that you can get for the 17's is so much greater than 15's.

[DORIGTT]

How about a good source of 17" wheels in 5x130? The typical aftermarket alloy for Porsche pattern these days seems to be 18-36":angry:

[Wally]

How about a good source of 17" wheels in 5x130? The typical aftermarket alloy for Porsche pattern these days seems to be 18-36":angry:

I agree that a REAL light-weight wheel in 5x130 like the original Fuchs is not to be found anymore in 17".
At least not if it also has to look not too ricy :rolleyes:
The BBS boxster rims I used before were a decent middle ground, but diameter and width make any wheel more heavy of course. That also gives more traction, so it will always stay a compromise untill full carbon wheels get affordable.