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GUTTERS March 19th 2003 19:41

GOOD SPEACH MY MAN, YOU ARE RIGHT- IS YOUR LIFE WORTH $75??.

SprintStar March 19th 2003 21:32

Superman,

The shim should be 1mm as when wrapped around the ball joint, it becomes 2mm.

I agree that if the shim comes off, the effect will be diasterous. But looking at how the shim is interference fitted (in my case) onto the balljoint and how there's a slot for the bolt on the spindle to pass through, it's safe enough.

The movement of the control arm is up and down and the weight of the car is pressing on the shim and balljoint on the time. I feel it's unlikely it will fall off.

But all the same, you are right. For $75, it ain't worth my life. The reason why I did it was becoz Kerscher wanted nearly $200 for them some time back. That's why I decided against them.

If it's now $75 at Kerscher, I'd gladly buy a few pairs as I'm converting my other Super to 944 brakes soon as well. :)

Sprint.

Superman March 19th 2003 22:45

Volksworld printed a disclaimer about the use of this shim because they are dangerous. The article also featured a crashed car in which these homemade shims had failed. The Kerscher 17mm ball joints, part number BZ 52015 are currently 47 EURO (about 50 US$). So that's about $100 (order two) plus shipping.

SprintStar March 20th 2003 00:18

Which issue is this?

How was the shim made? Mine is an interference fit, so I think it's a tad safer.... :confused:

Anyway, since the Kerscher prices have dropped, I'll be ordering mine pretty soon!

Do you read German? I can make head or tail about their site...

Sprint.

Superman March 20th 2003 00:31

I wouldn't say I can read German but I fumble my way through it just from looking at it for years. Navagation...

Go to the Kerscher site then select:
Tuning
Käefer
Bremsanlagen
Zubehör

this will bring you to the 944 conversion parts page.

SprintStar March 20th 2003 00:46

Thanks man! You are Super! :D

Sprint.

Tim March 20th 2003 06:45

I just bought the 17mm balljoints from Kershcer at EUR39.66/pc.

Tim

SprintStar March 20th 2003 09:53

Did you call them or did you buy from the website?

Sprint.

Tim March 20th 2003 10:21

I just sent them an email (in English). They replied promptly and I just followed what they told me to do. I received the goods about a week after I wired them the money.

Tim

SprintStar March 20th 2003 10:24

Good to know that! How much was shipping to Hong Kong? What year is your Bug? Hehe.... What brakes are you using? 944 or 944 Turbo?

Sorry for being so nosy! :D

Sprint.

Tim March 20th 2003 10:30

You are welcomed Sprint. I bought 4 pcs at the same time, one pair for myself and the other for my friend. Both are for '73 Super (I have also ordered some late control arms from Topline in the USA). I am going to install pre-86 944NA spindles/brakes. The freight (airmail parcel) to Hong Kong was EUR36.

SprintStar March 20th 2003 22:44

Cool Tim! We should talk more. I got the same exact setup and not too far from you... :D
What engine are you running?

Sprint.

Tim March 21st 2003 11:05

Definitely we should talk more! My project is a racing only 1303. I haven't started it yet as the suspension/brake parts are still on the way (only the Kerscher balljoints have arrived) and the car is still sitting in the garage. My original plan was to run a T4, something like 2200 to 2500cc. However due to limited time and budget, I will first build a T1 engine based on the existing 1641 T1 which I've got in my street standard Beetle. I will add a wild cam (not decide what to use yet) and modify the heads but will stay with the existing Kadrons and 1 3/8" extractor. I try to have my racer ready for coming June race.

Tim

Superman March 21st 2003 14:00

Okay guys we are now off topic. This thread was about the difference between the hubs/discs on the 86/87 Turbo. The ball joints were sorta related but now this thread is going off topic with engine talk in the brake forum.

Tim March 22nd 2003 00:54

Sorry! I was getting too excited with my new project and forgot about the topic.

Tim


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