Where do you have your oil cooler?
 

Looking at where to mount a oilcooler on a standard.

Where do you have your oil cooler? How is it mounted? What type?

My super had a Mesa 96plate up front behind the louvers.

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Pete

Same location of course (its THE place for it, sorta created by the factory), but I use a simple second-hand alu mercedes transmission cooler: those are long (wide) and not too high, so its a perfect fit.

Its attached to some original holes in the edges of the front chassis head with two 'brackets' left and right, Very simple and not much too look at, but works for 20-some years now :)

I like the single Setrab Fanpack under the package tray. The Setrab is very small but works better than the 96 plate messa. You can port air to it with a duct. We used one on the Herbie X. I can't find a good picture of it as it is hidden by the A/C cond. unit.

Oil Cooler Location
 

I have built a cold air box in the package tray. I use a high-tek B&M oil cooler with built in fan and thermostate. The box takes cold air from the fender whells and exhausts out the bottom of the package tray.

I'm sorry but I don't have any pictures.

I use -8 an lines from the engine to a Oberg filter and then through a thermostat to the cooler and back to the engine.

This configuration allows plenty of room under the package tray for the Kafer Cup brace

I have run this setup in 105deg summer weather here in Boise and never had any problems

I am using a Type4 cooler in an aluminiumn housing I made and it's fitted behind the LHR wheel.I milled a piece of 20mm thick aluminium with O ring holes to take the standard VW seals and threaded it to take JIC fittings.I used a sandwich plate under the oil filter and made 2 short hoses to hook it up.I modified a Kombi heater assist fan and mounted it above the LH side drive shaft and it's wired into my ECU to start at 105C.I am using a Porsche fan in a Sharpbuilt shroud with the OG oil cooler in the original position and it doesn't supply enough air to the cooler.This now works very well and it's compact and out of the wayhttp://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3...cooler2.th.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2041/excooler1.th.jpg

Hi Wally,

DO you have any pictures of this cooler or a model/part number?

No, sorry; I used to tear them out of breaker yards. They are located right next to the water radiator and are vertically positioned next to it.

They are from Behr and came in most older 'S' models (seventies, eighties) and/or '/8 models'. I believe some BMW models had an even larger model of the same cooler.
Ahnendorp sells the fittings to connect the M22x1,5 (?) connections to a 1/2 inch hose.

Hope that helped some,
Walter

It has helped, thanks.

Plenty of those models still in breakers yards over here, so will check it out sometime:)

Single Setrab under the package shelf mounted at an angle, I can run the engine at 4k RPM in 90 degree weather on the freeway with no problem in my beetle. It is a bit of a tight fit between the cup brace, transmission and axle but works well.

Sorry do not have pictures.

Here's my setup on the race car which may work on a street car. Oil cooler is a Perma-cool Maxicool unit, 10.5" x 14" x 3.75" including the 900 cfm fan. I'm running 1/2" lines and -8 fittings on everything. The oil cooler sits in a custom frame of aluminum angle that bolts to the body and has a brace underneath to a stud on the block. There is a thermostat inline to turn on the fan and a manual override switch in the dash. For a street car you could run a smaller one that would fit better behind the wheel.

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Thanks for the info/pics.

I have what looks like to be a Mercedes oil cooler. Made couple brackets to attach the cooler to the beam/pan bolts. The in/out fitting of the cooler are really close to the beam so i will try to figure out a 90deg fitting that will allow it to attach to the oil cooler(M14) and end up in a -8AN/JIC.

I'll try to get pics up soon.

Pete

Right now I have a WIX 51773 oil cooler with a heatsink wrapped around it in the rear driver wheel well, I will probably move it and put my big oil cooler there, similar to what humble has done. Except, I don't really need the cooler unless I've been doing 80 MPH down the freeway for sometime and suddenly have to sit and idle, otherwise I never even see 220 degree oil, and I run synthetic, so I'm not terribly worried, but Summer is coming! The car already uses 7 quarts of oil, and adding a cooler will only make it hold more, an oil change costs over $50 :eek: and I do it myself and get a discount, crazy beetle...

Same cooler and location as Yellow73 (and same year/model, and original color by chance), with the same results. Zero cooling issues. I don't think I have ever even broken 215F. Setrab's are expensive coolers, but damn they work well.

I've mounted the oil cooler up front. Modified my mounts and flipped it around so the fittings are facing forwards. It was looking like the fittings would hit the steering box and beam. Waiting for the PARKER Hydraulics salesman to figure out how to get the M22 oil cooler, to a -8AN. We'll see what he can come up with.

If i don't like were this is heading, i may go for a Setrab as Nigel and Zen have setup. I'll need some pics, if going that route. The Setrab may save me money, as plumbing the cooler up front with sexy AN stainless fittings/hose is not cheap.

Pete

They make an M22 to -8AN fitting with "O" ring seals. I have bought them from Hyd. Supply here. They can be had in St. or 90 deg.
I like the Setrab single fan pack due to the fact that it is very small, easy to fit under the package tray and cools as well as coolers 3 times the size. We have used them on many customer cars.
When My car hits the street again it will have the 3rd gen RX7 cooler up front because already I have one, it had a built in thermostat and it is huge. But i don't think it will cool much better than the Setrab single with a fan.

What are you guys running for oil pumps with the front mount oil coolers?
I just put a oil cooler in the front of my 1303 and upgraded to a heavy duty pump. Also how did you go about priming the system with oil?
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Thanks

I replied on your other thread...

The stock type 4 oil pump always worked fine with my 2 liter type 4 engines and a front mounted oil cooler.
I don't believe in bigger oil pumps, on the contrary, it can harm you oil cooling operation on an otherwise stock laid out engine wrt the oil system.

I know a bigger than stock oil pump will over come the spring in the stock oil cooler passage, but the oil cooler in the front of your car should cool what ever oil doesn't go through the stock cooler, and before it even gets to that cooler anyways. I have a 30mm or whatever the biggest size is in my 1776, with a stock cooler only and it cools the oil just fine, even though a good portion never gets through the cooler.

I only get a bit hot hoil when I've been doing 80 on the freeway and get stuck at a long light on the off ramp for a while. I will be adding an external cooler under the rear wing of my car (if it will fit, crossing my fingers) for this summertime, but I don't think I NEED it, its more a just in case type thing.

Of course I neither have a huge engine, or a high output engine so your mileage may vary. I made it through last summer just fine with my oil temps never going about 220, but I now commute over a very steep grade everyday, and it is cool enough in the morning, but in the summer my drive home may be rather sweltering and I don't want to get stuck on the side of the road waiting for my oil to cool off...

Like I said, my extra oil cooler is just extra insurance.

Wally,
Does your front mount oil cooler have a thermostat and a fanpack? How does it do at the stop light?

Never had a fan pack on any oil cooler. I did use a thermostat on all wet sumped (normal) engines, but now on the dry-sumped engine I haven't used any anymore (because race car :lmao:)

Stop lights waiting were never a problem, not even longer periods waiting in line at an event or pit lane with a running engine. The big porsche fan keeps it cool enough then.

I have idled in several traffic jams, one for almost an hour (!) in summer heat when we traveled to one of the Bitburg events and even that wasn't a problem (I sweated though), but that was with engines that had alu cilinders, which stay so much cooler on the oil.

Hi

I have a front mount in my sons 1303 with no internal cooler, never overheats in traffic. Its not huge motor just a 1904 with 40 dels.

I have driven in all sorts of conditions without any problems including traffic jams and freeways during 40c days.

I had to fit a thermostat as it ran too cool and I also fitted a fan on the cooler but I don't think its ever come on.

As far as bleeding air goes I just over fill a litre or so at the 1st start up.

Steve

Well, I went ahead and ordered a Setrab 119 with fanpack... We will see if I ever need the fan.

Depends where you mount the cooler. Usually coolers with fanpacks are located in 'hidden' locations, so they usually turn on pretty quickly.
Being in Arizona would help too ;-)

Bah I'm trying to figure out where to mount this thing... Seems like my two options are either under the package tray near the transmission or in the front. If I'm going to mount it in the front I kind of wish I had a long narrow one, but oh well. Will I get enough cooling if I hide it?

I have put the fan pack Setrab's under the package tray and they work fine. I put a narrow setrab (no fan) on the front bumper this time and it seems to do well also. If you put it under the package tray, take care in placing it so it is out of the way of the rear suspension and drive shafts. Also place it so the fan will pul air thru it and blow it back and away from the cooler.

I understand what you mean for the fan to pull air thru it, but not sure what you mean by "blow it back and away from the cooler" Can you extrapolate?

I always try to mount the cooler so the fan is toward the back of the car. What you don't want is to recycle the air off the fan back thru the cooler. You want fresh air thru the cooler. We have used ducted air to the cooler (under the tray) too. The air moving (or not moving) under the package tray can be kind-a unpredictable. But the fan will pull/push it were it needs to go.