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I was thinking of having my drums redrilled for 5-205 or 5-112 but wsa told I wouldnt have any room on my drums to do so, and to get the drums that already come in that pattern, what moddifications are required to do so, Im just hoping I can just put the 5 lug drums on w/o changing anything major.5-112's have a good aftermarket in wheels and the 5-205, i just would want the Radar rims :laugh: , would addapters be ok ?

I would think drums in a 5x205 pattern would be available in the aftermarket ... but having never looked for them, I can't be all that sure.

The 5x112 pattern looks like a modern pattern (VW Passat amongst others) to me. If I am right, you would probably need blank drums custom studded.

One word of caution with modern bolt patterns: Make sure the hub size of the drum is compatible with the hub hole of the wheels you want. I had to make concessions with my front wheels when I chose a modern pattern for my disks.

The best quality adaptors will likely add to the amount of track you have on the front and on the back. Since you seemed concerned about modifications in your post, this could lead to some especially if you chose a wide wheel as well. These adaptors won't be cheap either. Even then, there will be those who will strongly recommend against it -- some in general, others in a racing application.

I am sure others with more experience will chime in.

Well the rims I really like, reason I am interested in whats needed is I want 15inch Randars.THere 15x5's and they have a 3.5" backspace.The addapters I found were 1/2" thick and cost 55.00 a pair. I would more like to have the 5-205 drums, an there is a aftermarket with them but not sure if I can use my bearings and backing plate with them. I was told to get wide 5 drums for front, and rear brakes from a Type 3 or Thing.

Heres a link to the wheels
http://www2.cip1.com/PhotoGallery.as...7;2DC10%2D6657

Man, those adaptors are either a very good price or less than desirable quality. I would be concerned. I would investigate the backing plate and whatever else might be at issue before I would consider the adaptor route. If you go with adaptors, I would be more concerned with quality of manufacture than just its thickness. That is one area not to be frugal. My opinion only. :)

Im not sure about them either, the EMPI badge scares me :laugh:
Any ideas of anyone else that may carry them, but a good quality, possibly?

They would be custom made to your order.

Highly recommended are:

http://www.motorsport-tech.com/index2.htm

and

http://www.wheeladapter.com/

My personal experience is with the latter of the two.

Im thinking of going with the addapters, reason being, if I want to ever go back to the stock size I can.Plus Im looking at the 5-112 pattern and under the 2006 Jetta, theres some nice wheels.Thing is, lets say the addapter is 1/2" thick, what ET rim would I want to look for?Would I want a 15x6.5 in a 40-55et or a 30-40mm et?

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...6&autoModClar=

If you are interested in '06 Jetta wheels, you should find out what their offsets are. It is easier to work out these problems if you can reduce the variables into being constants.

I looked on VWVortex, an the guys over there say the MKIV Jetta has a 35mm-38mm offset.

i might end up just buying the 4 lug 4-100 drums from cip1 being there 79.95 each, compared to 55.00 addapters.then buy the konig rewinds since there more the style i like.There 15x7's and are 99.95 from this one place in ohio, then buy 8mm spacers for the ones with a 40et, but then i like the rwd version better, only problem with those, is they got 0 backspace, anyone know what to do about that issue,besides really wide fenders lol

My wheels came off of a Wolfsburg Edition Jetta (c. 2000), and it is a 42mm offset. They are also a 5x100 bolt pattern. I cannot vouch for any other wheel offered. I might be able to look up the steelie as I have one locked away, and the spare doughnut (although the latter might be of little use). Four millimeters is a tiny difference anyway -- between 1/6th and 1/7th of an inch.

Forty millimeters is over an inch and a half. Wide fenders and abandoning the idea are the two best options in my opinion.

OK I emailed the company about 2 wheels an I can get the FWD Konig Rewinds in FWD in the color i like which is silver with a polished lip, the color I showed you.They have a +40mm offset, and also weigh 13lbs.
Then I asked about these
http://buywheelstoday.com/products/?id=3835
They have a +38mm offset and come solid silver, when I decide which ever one I want, Id get these 15x6.5 with +38mm offset up front, and 15x8 with 0 offset in rear with wider fenders in rear.....the others I dont thnk Id need wider fenders.
Also Im going to just use drums so the wheels dont stick out more, and for front run a adjustable beam and tryy to avoid a drop spindle.:D hopefully this will work....Im more less just researching to see if these options will work.

you can buy blank drums and habve them drilled.

Or I can just buy the 4-100 bolt patterned drums all ready drilled :) there the same price.
Anyone know how wide of a fender I would need for a 15x8" rim with a 0et?

Yowza :eek: !

Here is a quote from Creative Car Craft:

Use with up to 9" tire tread on 8" wheels with min. backside spacing of 3.5"

An offset of 0mm on an 8-inch wheel is the same as 4-inch back spacing. That means you are pushing that wheel an extra half-inch to the outside.

These cats are the only ones I know who make fenders wider than three extra inches over stock (4½ inches).

You may want to consult with CCC about your plans and the stats they state on their site.

So 0 offset, would only make them stick out a half inch pass the fenders? What about rim with a et25 (being a 15x8) or et35 (15x7) different rims.

I have personally not gone down this path or know of one who has. I am working with basic assumptions. With that in mind, what I said is based on what CCC's website says and assuming they are talking about no extra wiggle room involved. Then, yes, it would be a half-inch too far.

25mm offset with the 8-inch rims would save you nearly an extra inch than in your previous set-up.

35mm offset with the 7-inch rims would give you nearly 1-7/8 extra inches than in your previous set-up (1/2 inch for the narrower rim plus 1-3/8 inches for the 35mm offset), or an extra 7/8-inch extra over the above.

Oh, and I am only calculating width of wheel in these scenarios. At some point, you will have to deal with tire sizes which will impact width and overall diameter. That could be a lesser issue, but it will still be an issue -- especially depending on the amount of lowering.

But stick to the wheels first. It is easier to deal with a variable when you have more constants.

oasis, to give you the idea of what im going with, style i mean.just thought id share.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/610/vw1303rs2kt4.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9763/dscf3756tw5.jpg

i like this, and i wanna do my bug similar to this but with my paint color.

Looks great. :agree: :agree: I like it a lot.

Figuring these things out and tinkering around can be a nuisance but it is worth it in the end.

I wonder if the one in the top photo has fender fouling issues. If not, it may have some really stiff spring rates. (Sometimes, the angle of the photoshoot is deceptive, too.)

anyone have and idea on what kind of wheels are on them?

They look somewhat similar to Wally's BBS wheels from his beautiful 1303 pictured within the attached link. However, the picture above looks like a four-bolt pattern on my little monitor at work so I may have not been a lot of help.

Addendum: I found this on a '77 Rabbit for sale. Maybe, the same?
http://lvs4.com/gallery/d/11403-2/CIMG2132.jpg

Yup those look like the wheels.

haha I showed my dad the look I'm wanting and he said, I already basically have the look somewhat.Hes talking about the wheels and tires sticking out, well the tires anyways.
The tires are to wide for the wheels and I guess thats what Im not liking, but I do like the wheels, since nobody on any of the forums has used the wheels I own, with a lowered stance, seems weird, but its got me thinking..
Oasis what you think of this, its a photoshop of and old pic.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1...tleshopyr2.png

My dads idea:
get the oldschool 3 spoke knockoffs(my center caps are busted) shine the rims up really good.Get a different size tire to fit rims better, currently 195/60/15's on 4.5" wide rims, drop rear 2" and front 3" or enough to have the look that the bugs in the current posts have (there stance) with the tires sticing out slightly pass the fenders but not as much as they are now.
Maybe 145/65 up front and 195/60 in rear?
whats your take on this oasis?

Well, I'm honored to have my opinion wanted ... at least before it's given. :laugh:

Looks are looks, and the reason cars look differently from each other is because their owners are different. Beyond that, I am personally not that keen of a 145mm front tire for cornering purposes. I am sure it is ample in most daily driving applications but I would prefer a little more rubber to the pavement.

thanks for the honest opinion, this is the original idea somewhat anyways. The knockoffs are a added idea since i seen them in a magazine i have.I would stick with the 195/60's front and rear but the front tires bulge off of the rim an cause them to stick out .Like this, this is the topveiw of the front fender http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5070/dscn0056bb1.jpg .Im wanting to lower the front so maybe I can get away with a 2" narrow up front.If I could find out if disc brakes were possible to run with these wheels for up front, that would be cool too.But so far everyone that Ive asked, says no to the discs.

I have zero experience with standard Beetles so I have no input to offer on narrowed front ends. I am sure there others who do. Maybe they can outline the pros and cons.

Meanwhile, what is so unique about your situation you are being told no to disks?

My rims are a deep dish wheel, there like Ansens an I was told being there deep dish and a rim from the 70's erra, discs might not work.