Gggggrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!
 

Why is it that when I'm waiting to catch the replay of the F1 race in the evening, I have to sift thru 3 different NASCAR(ie. WWF of motorsport, foot on floor-bare left) recap shows? How many times can you recap the Snoooooz-fest of racing's lastest event. I don't know if I can handle all that braking skill, shifting skill and cornering skill. :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: I had to wake myself up by watching some WRC videos on the internet but I have seen them all twice each and just had to jump on here and vent.


Finaly,,,,the roundy-round crap is over and some real racing can now be viewed.
I will shut up and watch it.

What you may not know is that the nascar races are actually looped video.


They just show the same ten laps or so over and over again. :laugh:



Maybe I should make a copy of the video I have and mail it up to you before you go crazy... :eek:

So much damn NASCAR around here, I'm already crazy. Maybe I'll just go get me a Dale Jr. Bucket at KFC and some Bud and let out a big YEE-HAAWWW.
NOT

At least you are taking it well. :laugh:

Hey Dave, next time your buddy Michael Walltrip is in town I'll be sure to tell him you said "hi" :agree: I know you're good friends.

Mike :laugh:

It's not the player, It's the game.

Interesting...

Mike

I can't stand NASCAR. That dosn't mean I hate the drivers. Some of them can drive. They just don't get to show it. :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

I understand. Point well made. :agree:

Mike

I understand your pain. We either have to wake up at 6:30am, stay up 'till 1:30am, or sit thru the NASCAR garbage until the replay comes on at 9:00 to see F1. Only 3 races are close to our time zone.

...but the French Grand Prix was SOOOO worth it this year. At least Schumacher had to work for the win, and Barricello had to work for just a podium spot.


Did y'all see the show where Jeff Gordon, and Juan Montoya switched cars? JPM was was fighting to say something tactful about having to drive a grocery getter around Indy's road course. :laugh:

Yep I saw that one :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
Did you see the 2003 WRC highlight video? :agree:
Yes the F1 French GP was great. The pass Bericello made at the end was wild.

Yeah, breakfast with the F1 race was good on sunday, and I thought someone was gonna win other than Schumacher. What do I know.....

Well I hate NASCAR too... but I think for me it sucks even more because I live in Daytona and we have to deal with having all those yee haws here a few times a year. Not just on TV!

I call the Daytona 500, the Redneck Super Bowl.... :D

I was under the impression that Fernando Alonso had it in the bag, especially after Schumacher's 3rd stop for fuel was so early that he had to make a 4th stop before the end.

I must say, even for Michael Schumacher, pulling a 21 second gap in 20 laps is truly amazing!

I'm not on the Anti-Ferrari wagon yet. I remember all the years when they sucked in F1. Senna was great in his day and maybe the best ever. But watching Shuey is watching history in the making.

Ayrton Senna was as good a driver as Schumacher. If Senna were still alive and racing today, he likely wouldi've bettered Juan Fangio's record of 5 championships well before Schumacher did.

Yeah, I'm not a Ferrari basher. They hadn't won a constructor's title since like '83, and hadn't had a world champion driver since Nikki Lauda in '75 (I think) so they were due some success.

I WOULD like to see someone else win once in a while.

I'm fortunate enough to live right around the corner from Sonoma, CA and Sears Point Raceway (I refuse to call it Infineon) so I get to see the only NASCAR raec worth watching up close. It's gotta be tough driving a tank on a road course though...phew.

Isn't it funny how some NASCAR teams sub-in SCCA drivers at Sears Point, and Watkins Glen. :rolleyes:

It's nice to here your views about F1 and especially the WRC, coming from the UK I along with most motorsport fans over her are under the impression that Americans are only interested in champ car, NASCAR and monster trucks.
Don't get me wrong if theres no real motor sport on cable I will watch that stuff :p
No realy, you guys have got one of the best rally (ish) events in the world Pikes Peak, those guys are crazy 6-7-800BHP cars weighing about the same as an apple blasting up the moutains, what could be more fun :D
It realy is nice to here your coments on how and when they broadcast races/rallys, over here F1 does get quite a good coverage but WRC..... we might be lucky to see two hours of a whole event, even our own event 'The Rally of Great Britian' (being slightly biased one of the best events in the calendar) we will be lucky if we get four hours of the whole event :mad:

Well rant over... sorry for the long post.


Rob.

I've been to three monster truck "shows" and they all sucked, not one of them wrecked. Nascar does nothing for me, how hard is it to drive in a circle. Big ups to WRC, those guys are very, very crazy. Any of the real racing, the F1's, the Carts, GT's, AMA, WRC, you know speed and corner's is what motorsports is all about. I feel the same way as Brandon E, Sears Point will always be Sears Point.

Nick

I didn't even watch the Sears point NASCAR race.....ALMS was on SPEED. And you Brit's have "Top Gear" ,,,, Cool show, beats the hell out of MotoTrend TV, wish we had it over here. Speed is going to start showing "5th Gear" on Thursday nights starting this week. I thought that was the early version of "Top Gear".
Anyway,,,,,,WRC Rules.

:agree: Yes WRC rocks! I just saw the Rally of Turkey. I like the idea of running it in the summer better than last year with the snow.

SCCA ProRally also rocks, 'cept the factory teams all backed out of competetion starting this year. :(

Good news is that the privateers get a better chance of winning. Mitsubishi, Subaru, and Hyundai used to dominate the SCCA. Now it's the Irish Mafia and their Lancer Evo IV's that will be hard to beat :laugh: (inside joke)

i keep seeing guys say how hard is it to race in a circle? well your not doing it so it must be more work than your prepared for. at least give credit where its due. and yes i do watch nascar IF i have the time, its the only race thats one every sunday,that you can see without having cable. I live in a historic district and my new, old house doesnt have cable access yet, so its all i got for now. Plus look at america in general, its this countrys motorsport for the masses. it was back woods bred, from bootlegers, and will always have a place with the good ole boys. Its also nice to see guys " bang doors" and still walk away from it, with good attitudes most of the time. You always hear other motorsports personalitys talk bad about nascar. A sport is a sport weather you like it or not. I would rather watch nascar wit drivers who have some class than watch arrogant f1 drivers who could give a rats a$$ for their followers who basicly fund the drivers paycheck with sells or merchandise. :mad:

NASCAR has its moments but for the most part if I'm gonna get off on roundy round racing it has to sprint cars on a dirt track. Those things are just plain fun to watch. There is nothing like watching a guy go flipping through a plywood wall at 110mph. The 3/8 mile track in town is the best $12 you can spend on Saturday night. That reminds me....my buddies little brother is racing next weekend....I wonder if he needs a pit crew ;)

"Give me corners, or give me death!"

-Nick

Any of you have on-demand? I recently watched the "world racing championships" or whatever. It consisted of drivers from all around the world and from different categories. Nascar, super-bike, rally, f1, indy etc. etc.
The races were 1 on 1 on identical dirt tracks. The cars raced were race class buggies and rally cars. Jeff Gordon (NASCAR) and the rest of the Americans won against the other competitors. I believe Gordon actually defeated another rally racer in the final. HAVE TO WATCH IT AGAIN.

Point being, all negative views I had towards NASCAR drivers were quickly dismissed. NASCAR is boring as all hell to watch but those guys can drive!! Respect. :cool:

Some of the NASCAR driver can drive and some ofthem have to give up their seat to a real driver when they go to Sears point or Watkins Glen.
I used to follow NASCAR and liked it,,,But I gave up on it when the Lumina entered the game. It use to be that the Factories had to produce some many cars to get ther car on the track. But now you can't get any car that is no the track with a V8 and rear wheel drive. As soon as one make gets an edge they change the rules. I don't hate the drivers,,,,I hate the game.
My original rant is due to the fact that Speed Channel use to bring a wide range of motorsport to us and over the last few years it has become dominated by NASCAR. I miss the go-carts, small time drag racing, hell even lawn mower racing, it don't get any more Red Neck than that. But on a Sunday evening there is no less than 3 shows to recap the NASCAR race from that day. NASCAR TECH, INSIDE NEXTEL CUP, TRACKSIDE, SPEED NEWS NASCAR EDITION, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I mean they recap the racap of the recap. I wish they would just make a second channel (NASCAR TV) and put Speed Channel back to what it was. Then I could channel block it. :laugh:

Even the late great Dale Earnheart Sr. (great driver, great man) knew that if he was going to stand with the likes of AJ Foyt and Mario and the Unser brothers, he needed to get into a world class car and do well in a world class seiries. So he joined the Corvette team in ALMS. Now you see other capable NASCAR drivers strap into other types of cars to show what they can do.
Nope I never said I could do it, that is why I'm a race fan not a driver. And some drivers are asses, I meet AJ Foyt at the wind tunnel when I worked at Lockheed GA. Maybe he was havin' a bad day, but he was an *** that day.

You people are a bad influence on me. I haven't been able to stop thinking about getting my racing licence and going motorcycle racing. There is a track about 2 hours from my house. :laugh:

CAN'T RESIST ANY LONGER........... :D

"Give me corners, or give me !"

now thats a great slogan, maybe its a new gl oath? :D

:agree: 100%

I was always pumped about the Speed Channel then they just changed. THAT SUCKED! It was a huge dissappointment when they leaned so far towards NASCAR. A seperate NASCAR channel would be absolutely ideal. I would watch Motor Trend and the Horsepower Hour a thousand times before NASCAR. :laugh:
Now they're trying to bring a NASCAR track here to the Northwest. Trying to decide if thats good or bad...

I'm just tired of having NASCAR rammed down my throat so often.

Yes, their job is hard. No, I couldn't do it

Yes, NASCAR drivers are tactful, consumate professionals, who give credit to their team, family, God, and sponsors after the race, and are happy to greet their fans when possible.

NASCAR is absolutely part of our southeastern heritage. It's roots were born in the hills of NC, GA, and AL from moonshiners and their hopped up '37-'40 Ford 2-doors out to see who had the fastest machine, and the only venues available were oval shaped Horse tracks, until a sanctioning body was formed.
Hell, my Dad even raced in short track stock-cars in the '60s, and '70's.

It's my belief that only so much can be said about ANY sport before it gets pretty redundant. On Monday there will be 9 and a half hours of NASCAR coverage in their broadcast day, many of those slots are replays from earlier programs. To that end I tend to tune it out.

...kinda like what Clear Channel Media has done to classic rock in the last 8 years. :sleep:

i agree also there is to much coverage on nascar, compared to other motorsports.

but you have to understandits nor nascat that drives this hideous monster. the tv stations get paid by broadcasting and airing slots to run commercials. i was tols once a 30 sec.commercial can cost 30,000$ for a non peak air time. the tv stations make their money buy getting more retailers to buy more air time. retailers will only biuy more air time if people actually whatch that station. so get to get viewers, they air shows that the masses want...ie..nascar highlights! its the mass of views that declare whats on that station. most people would rather see a nascar event than any other. even if its a 51/49 ratio, the 51% will get to wathch thier nascar.

its a vicious cycle, and the only way to stop it is to fire off letters to the broadcasting companies. then maybe they will change thier ways. but we all know money is what talks. :(

Money talks, very true. :agree: Every aspect of mass media is ultimately influenced by it. That was the jist of my crack on Clear Channel. They don't play the music the public wants to hear, the play what the advertising directors think fits the demographic of the products that they advertise. So now their local station (WRDU) plays the same 35 songs over and over. The songs have to be a certain tempo, and have certain content.

True, also that NASCAR isn't behind the flood of coverage, Fox Networks, their advertising dept, and all the sponsors on the hoods, roof, and sides of all the stock cars are who's to blame, and that coverage is in NASCAR's best interests.

The flood of coverage goes to NASCAR's benifit as it broadens the audience of those watching at home, wether the audience likes it or not. Since NASCAR has no foreign influences, and no foreign drivers, it's a favorite over other racing series' to the American public as a whole, thus it demands a larger portion of the market share.

Speed Channel itself would suffer a loss if NASCAR were broadcast on a dedicated and seperate station, but not their owners. Fox Networks owns the rights to NASCAR coverage, and owns Speed Channel.

When Fox bought the rights to NASCAR, they capitalized on the already huge American market, and dedicated a majority of their local networks summer sports program schedule to it. When Fox Networks took over The Speed Channel, and renamed it SPEED TV, the put the "in depth, suit behind a desk" programming on the cable channel, and most of the races on the local network stations, or they sold the rights of individual events to other networks.

I'm a motorsoprt fan, but not a NASCAR fan anymore. I lost interest first in the late '80's when restrictor plates were introduced, and early '90s when homologation rules were lifted (remember in '87 when Bobby Allison's Buick had a Chevy engine :eek: ). I know I'm stuck with the way motorsport is broadcast in America, but can cope. :cool: