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erusmenac December 11th 2012 17:20

Premium Pure Carbon Fiber body parts !
 
Hello dear German Look brothers.. I am from Turkey / Istanbul and i am very new to your forum. And really liked and enjoyed your sharings.

I want to announce that We are going to produce a 73 Bug in Istanbul / Turkey, totally from carbon fiber. I mean TOTALLY ! From fenders to doors, from hood to the floor, from ceiling to the dashboard, from bumper to running boards. EVERY WHERE will be pure carbon.

The car will weight approximately 550kilograms when its finished.
This project will be the first attempt in the whole automotive industry in the world may be. A car made by pure carbon with carbon pattern looking.


What does it mean ?
When we finish the car, we will have the PATTERNs of all 73 vw bug parts. You should know that the most expensive and hard thing is to make the pattern for production. If you have the pattern plate, then its easier to produce the product.


We will start selling firstly front spoiler (kamei replica from full pure carbon). I will share the pictures of the product when its finished. And you can see the quality.

After two months I will also share our showcar with you. a car totally made by carbon.

Carbon is a very premium material as you know. So the price could sound a bit high. But think about this : you buy it once ! it will never rust, never burn, never brakes, ultra lightweight. and carismatic look.

If you dont want to use the spoiler with the original carbon look, the price could go down. If you gonna paint it to your own car color, we dont need to polish it and dont need to take care about the pattern look. I mean we dont need to take time for the estetic.

The price will be very affordable actually. People are selling carbon covered panels ( the panel behind the wheel under the gauge) from 120€ plus shipping.
We are going to produce the kamei spoiler from pure carbon fiber and the price will be 325$ and shipping included for all countries.

We will both have modified parts and original parts in carbon.

We are from ISTANBUL / TURKEY. And our designs are infront of you here is my own bug.

http://karaliste.gen.tr/bocuk/1.jpg
Everything is possible for us. Now we are going to build this same bug totally from carbon fiber.

Again, i will share the pictures when we finish the first kamei spoiler, im sure you guys will love it. And i cant wait to hear your reviews about the product..


Thank you very much.
Kind Regards

wrenchnride247 December 11th 2012 21:11

Welcome to the GL forums! Can't wait to see pics of the carbon fiber parts, and 1303!

erusmenac December 12th 2012 07:54

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Originally Posted by wrenchnride247 (Post 85128)
Welcome to the GL forums! Can't wait to see pics of the carbon fiber parts, and 1303!

Thank you very much. Hopefully you guys will be interested to buy those parts. Because it will cost me a lot to make the whole car from CF. Coz we need to create the MOLDS for each part. And making mold is the most expensive thing.

If i sell only 1 item from each mold that would help me a lot :)

Xellex December 12th 2012 18:00

cool! That's an I idea I've been thinking of for a couple of years now, but never got to start making any parts yet. Good luck, and keep the pictures coming!

erusmenac December 13th 2012 14:09

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Originally Posted by Xellex (Post 85136)
cool! That's an I idea I've been thinking of for a couple of years now, but never got to start making any parts yet. Good luck, and keep the pictures coming!

I really understand why you couldnt get started bro. It needs too much investment. I am going to spend over 30.000USD to make the molds of all parts of a super beetle.. And seems like i am the only stupid guy in the world who makes this.

I hope you guys will be interested in the project and start buying those parts from me, in that case it will help me to cover my spendings on this project. And our veedubs will have a better looking with this new carbon project..

DORIGTT December 13th 2012 21:50

If it were a Ghia, I'd respect you in the morning cause that would be PURE SEX.:D

erusmenac December 14th 2012 10:08

here are the some progress for our kamei spoiler carbon fiber replica.

As you can see its not finished yet. Its in progress... I will share with you the latest final product aswell..

325USD shipping included to all countries..

http://www.emredersin.com/depo/carbo...ler/kamei1.jpg
http://www.emredersin.com/depo/carbo...ler/kamei2.jpg
http://www.emredersin.com/depo/carbo...ler/kamei3.jpg
http://www.emredersin.com/depo/carbo...ler/kamei4.jpg

KAFUR1 January 1st 2013 21:54

Have any more pic 's ????

erusmenac January 26th 2013 10:38

hello brothers, i was very busy with the molding issues. I know all of you guys thought that project is failed Dont be affraid nothing happened everyting is alright.

We have problem for the model of the Kamei, thats why we delayed. We want it to be perfect. We realized that the model we use for the carbon was not real original. It was the replica of a replica. So we decided to buy the original one to get the mold. which is shown here http://bomex24.com/index.php?page=product&info=708 . We bought it and get the mold of it !

Now we are ready to produce. This model looks more aggressive and sportive. And it is for the 1303 beetles (super beetles). The other one is for 1200 beetles.

If you are a super beetle owner, you dont need to open new holes on your bumper. ! It fits perfectly. Soon i will share new, news regards..

noslzzp February 4th 2013 09:17

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Originally Posted by DORIGTT (Post 85146)
If it were a Ghia, I'd respect you in the morning cause that would be PURE SEX.:D

If it were a low light Ghia, he'd have a US reseller today. :)

erusmenac February 17th 2013 10:47

We are delayed for the project i know you guys want to see some real pics and progress. We made the mold before but we didnt like the shape because that mold was taken from a kamei replica. After that we bought an original kamei spoiler and get the mold of it, now we are ready to produce.. here is the first pic of our mold.

Our works are very custom, we care about the looking so much. so even our mold is looking sexy :) here is a picture with the original item and its mold.


http://www.emredersin.com/depo/carbo...kamei_mold.jpg

regards.. im behind my word, you got my word i am going to produce all parts of a beetle dont worry.

Birdman69 February 18th 2013 07:01

Ever heard of copyright or intellectual property?
I hope the chineses do the same thing and undercut you by 50%

erusmenac February 18th 2013 13:54

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Originally Posted by Birdman69 (Post 85575)
Ever heard of copyright or intellectual property?
I hope the chineses do the same thing and undercut you by 50%

Brother, i respect to copryright. If you look at the original item on the picture, you will see so many factory defects. Bolt places on left and right side are not equal. Shapes are not same in left and right.

While i was getting the mold, i correct those mistakes and make it perfect. It will be better then the original one. Let those chinese guys work on that defects and correct them. :)

I dont just copy.. I make it better.

And also, KAMEI doesnt produce carbon fiber. Tell them to produce it and i will also buy from them. Because producing this kamei from carbon is really really hard and doesnt worth !

I am not going to produce something which is already is being sold. I am producing something which is not exists or RARE.

We are making BMW parts from carbon since 5 years. We sold a lot. Still BMW is not producing it from carbon. Its not an easy job. Be respectful please.

Chinese is always chinese. Look at the carbon fiber parts made in chine. You will see that the original skeleton is from fiberglass and there is a carbon overlay on the top :) and they sell it from half price.. People like you will buy it by thinking its pure carbon. And you will find out its half fiberglass and 1 layer carbon. And you will also find out the patterns on the overlay are corrupted :)

Chinese carbon is cheap because of this ! If you give me double price to produce it like the chinese, i wont. I have a prestige i have a quality standart. Cant loose it.

REGARDS !

SuperRSi March 4th 2013 00:42

Birdman69 you should look at all the people here building copies of the Kamei spoiler in Kevlar and Carbon. You are about 10 years late giving people a hard time and wishing China upon them. Did you ever notice that everyones fenders look exactly the same when you are looking at wider fiberglass or even Remmele carbons? Shame on all of them! Welcome to reality...

70Turbobug March 4th 2013 04:27

Thatīs all common practice nowadays.The parts are only as good as the molds under them.Which is why Remmele parts fit properly and most others donīt.Generally, at least here in Europe,most of them are copies from Remmele: doors,fenders,fan shrouds and intake system,side air inlets.

LLVWGL April 1st 2013 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman69 (Post 85575)
Ever heard of copyright or intellectual property?
I hope the chineses do the same thing and undercut you by 50%

Harsh and Critical, but true... I'm thinking those that mold the bumper and spoiler as one piece can escape this IP/Copyright conflict.

Best of luck to the Turks making new parts!

petevw April 2nd 2013 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70Turbobug (Post 85685)
Thatīs all common practice nowadays.The parts are only as good as the molds under them.Which is why Remmele parts fit properly and most others donīt.Generally, at least here in Europe,most of them are copies from Remmele: doors,fenders,fan shrouds and intake system,side air inlets.

^^^^ And people wonder why Eddie doesn't like doing Buisness, or screws with the international customers.

Hell, rumor on the street is that someone here in Toronto re-pop'd a pair of Remelle's carbon running boards.

I'd be upset too.

oasis April 4th 2013 16:06

If actual copyrights and/or patents are being violated, I'm 100% against it. So far, I am reading conjecture and suppositions fortified with opinions.

As for Remmelle, it is 100% his choice if he doesn't want to deal with international customers. But wasn't the complaint with him (or the company) he took money for ordered parts and then did nothing? If that is the case, I don't care what happened to him, his company or his family members; he has no right to steal money and then hide an ocean away.

In the meantime, let's see some documentation or genuine testimony before every last person takes a turn at being a junior Perry Mason.

70Turbobug April 6th 2013 05:10

Quote:

If actual copyrights and/or patents are being violated, I'm 100% against it. So far, I am reading conjecture and suppositions fortified with opinions.

As for Remmelle, it is 100% his choice if he doesn't want to deal with international customers. But wasn't the complaint with him (or the company) he took money for ordered parts and then did nothing? If that is the case, I don't care what happened to him, his company or his family members; he has no right to steal money and then hide an ocean away.
Part of the copycat problem is it costs too much money and time to file a patent,itīs just not worth it and the patent is time limited anyway.Things like a running board,fender,hood,door you wonīt get a patent on it because that is essentially a copy also,only with a different material and itīs not a competition to an OEM part.As for Remmele stealing money...donīt believe everything you hear/read on the internet and it is simply not true.If you have a business,you wonīt get away with it - there are agencies that specialize in global commerce and it is just as easy to file a lawsuit on a company across the pond as it is locally,it just costs more.There is always 2 sides to the story.That said,every shop or company has had issues with customers and always will.My opinion is,if I had been ripped off a couple thousand dollars by a company as some people say they have been,I find it hard to believe that they havenīt done anything about it, except gripe on the internet.As for doing business across the pond...the main problem is shipping these bulky parts.Not every carrier will ship them and if they do,itīs expensive.Itīs not the weight itīs the size of the package after packing.Remmele himself has given up on getting mad about other companies copying his products.For one thereīs not much he can do about it as he says that would be worth it,and the second thing is,most do not even come close to the quality.

Birdman69 April 6th 2013 09:06

My point still stands.
He is copying other peoples stuff.
Just because everyone on the world does it nowadays doesn't mean it's a good thing.
I liked Alex's parts designs and could have easliy copied them but i didn't and paid him good money for his work.
As for wide glass fenders, no i havent noticed that they are all copies in europe because i live in Australia.
I bought my wide glass guards from the designer VVDS, i could have gone down the road and bought copies from another company but........

erusmenac April 6th 2013 14:11

Sorry for the delay guys, we had some problem and trying to fix those problems.

We have produced a sample Kamei Spoiler from triaxiel efabric. The price is will be 100USD + shipping it will be served with the black paint if you want (included in the price)

Here you can watch the stress test for the product we have produced. The carbon kamei is not ready yet but you guys can use this product too, its strong as carbon fiber but doesnt look handsome like carbon fiber you need to paint it or buy it with black paint.

http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=kIS3xzqsRuk

here is the painted version of the exactly same spoiler on the video not the new one..



http://www.kiralikvosvos.com/images/kamei-finished.jpg

70Turbobug April 8th 2013 06:15

Quote:

I liked Alex's parts designs and could have easliy copied them but i didn't and paid him good money for his work.
Me too.Although the uniball set up is nearly identical to Remmele's set up that he developed over 20 years ago that I have in my bug.I'm not criticising Alex for it since there aren't really many options on such a uniball set up.

al_kaholik April 9th 2013 04:20

I'm done with "copy parts" it just causes issues down the line. My steering rack install is still on hold whilst I get the time to get home and re-engineer everything to get it to fit - bought in good faith that the kit had been developed. It had not.

After substantial investment in time and modification it still isn't anywhere near right. To be honest, I'm at the point of getting it correctly fitted then reverse engineering the thing and re-making it from more accurate parts and better fit materials


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