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Old December 17th 2009, 04:17
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I'm in the dark side(that's they call the subaru engine in a beetle) but my opinion is that both sides have several good reasons to support their engine build, but there is no need each of the two sides try to convience the other one.
Wally has spend a good amount of euros in order to keep alive the character of the aircooled engine and some other people like me, they decide to proceed with something alternative but still boxer.

It always has to do with money and personal believes.

..........and dont forget..... we are all VW family and everybody does what he does!
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Old December 17th 2009, 04:32
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Wally, SMR reconditioned engine costs 1200 euros. Rest is new turbo and injectors, other parts used. That's "new" engine, You'll agree.

My source for cheap Subaru parts is SMR engines in UK, and Subarubreakers. But I agree. No more that subject.

Tell me what I can do with 3500 euros on my Type4. I'm asking You because you've gone far away in this aircooled world. I allready have 915 box, alu arms, front Alcon race discs 305 mm with Brembo 4-pot calipers, and Bilstein's on 25.5 sways rear and standard front beam. Even 4500 euros for the engine is OK if I can keep it old school.

I want fast road car. I don't care about track, because I do that too often in other cars. Fast, reliable grand tourer is what I want to make.

And, above all, thank You for making one of the most impressive Type 4 engines. Now tell me (because there is obvious reason I'm asking You), how would You spend 4500 euros on Type 4 engine and what it could make?

Break the myth with 4500 euros worth of parts...
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Old December 17th 2009, 05:28
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I agree with Jim, its all about the FUN and always should be

I also hate to talk about costs involded as you may have noticed and that is NOT because I have unlimited budget, far, far from that.
I know people that use 1500 euros and make a 300 hp turbo engine in a bug and I know people that spend 20.000 euros and realize 250 hp...
See what I mean?

So, sorry MX, but I am not gonna write you a prescription how to build an engine and what I think the costs are per item.
I let everybody see what I do and use and even why, but thats it. Sorry...

Now please, no more talk about what it costs, because it is sooo different for each and everyone of us.
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Everybody has to find their own method of doing things.Itīs the variety of this that makes it interesting and see what others have done.Regardless of budget.Creativity and the results thereof is what itīs about.Some people can build a low budget high HP motor and make it last,others canīt.Itīs knowing what you can get a way with and what is needed.This really applies to the aircooled engine.A list of parts and prices is only good use if one has the craftsmanship to make it work.Like I said,you can take a stock type 4,turbocharge it and get 200 reliable HP if you know what youīre doing.Precision tuning/mapping is the key.Wally came to his results due to years of constant evolution and trial and error.
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Well said Mark!
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Winterjob: adapting boxster front calipers to the rear to get better balance:



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That will be easy for a man with your resources and tallent.
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You had 944 turbo calipers before right? What was the "problem" with those?
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You had 944 turbo calipers before right? What was the "problem" with those?
No, I even had the 993 rear calipers, which even have a little bigger cups than the 944T's.

Problem is brake balance. Been fighting too little rear brake bias for years now. Yes, tried 'everything'. Going back to my original believe that on a bug you can almost have the same calipers front as rear. Fronts are are 996 front.
This measure should solve that 'problem'.
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Isnīt the 993 brake caliper the same as the Boxster S? What master cylinder are you using?
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Isnīt the 993 brake caliper the same as the Boxster S? What master cylinder are you using?
No, 993 isn't monoblock/axial mount like the boxster. 993 is earlier than boxster, but fysically about the same size.
I now use 944/n/a master with 23 to the front, 19 rear. Like I said, have tried everything
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Iīm sure you have
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Some late incoming (awesome) pics from Julian Hunt (www.julianhunt.net) from the VW Action trip last september:





Yeah, I did run very low tire pressure to try get into the 11's, which worked great for 60ft times, but mph didn't move much:









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Great photo's Wally!
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Drag photos!!! I love them!!
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