Power/Reliability

Bebobug · #1 February 5th 2006, 02:36

I know turbo setups yeild alot of power but, how reliable is a mild setup? One like the one Hot VW's is building.

**volkdent** · #2 February 5th 2006, 15:51

Probably quite reliable if an intercooler is used. You might want to add up the cost of the HVWs motor. You may be surprised.

V.waffe 3 · #3 February 5th 2006, 16:06

Kinda of like Monster Garage's 60k in "free" stuff and their non-existent 5k budget, huh lol.

Bebobug · #4 February 5th 2006, 22:42

What if you just put a turbo on a 1776? Would it be worth the expense? How long would it last?

wrenchnride247 · #5 February 5th 2006, 23:37

The HVW's motor is not really setup as daily driver. Unless you don't want a decklid on your ride, you would need a different plumbing setup. Like Volkdent said. An intercooler is a good idea for longer life.
1776cc is a solid foundation for alot of combos. With the right one it can last quite a while. Driving habits, and boost have alot to do with motor life. Which can vary the cost of building alot.

speedy · #6 February 6th 2006, 18:05

hi there , i ran a cb turbo setup and it was very reliable last year, it was set up so in top gear it was off boost at 75 and would sit there all day at 75-80 because you are running lower compression, off boost the engine will run cool mine ran abou 80c ,
hope that was helpfull
jon

MX67 · #7 February 7th 2006, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by volkdent

Probably quite reliable if an intercooler is used.

Why if I may ask?

oasis · #8 February 7th 2006, 12:36

Cooler air is more dense so less has to be forced to get the same result.

Bebobug · #9 February 7th 2006, 14:25

Can you run the CB setup with dual Webers or do you have to use the fuel injection?

speedy · #10 February 7th 2006, 17:52

you can run any blow through setup with carbs if you get them sealed , not sure what is involved but you will have to o ring the shafts and get a stronger float, i dont think is that expensive to do but i have always used fuel injection so am not 100% sure

cheers
jon

**volkdent** · #11 February 8th 2006, 03:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by MX67

Why if I may ask?

Besides more dense air, head temps seem to be an issue with ACVWs so cooling the charge down helps with longevity as well, from what I've understood. Most high HP mods are really designed for someone who is regularily under the decklid anyway. The trouble is that these motors and trannys were never designed to handle high HP driving, so it doesn't really matter, for the long haul they still aren't as reliable as a modern motor. I didn't read the article, but my guess is that the HVWs motor would be used in a drag racer or a dunebuggy, when your junks sticking up all over the place it's usually not a daily driver.

This is where people start saying "my friend Bill's got 60k out of this setup" and blah blah blah, but the long and short of it is if you look at the guys who run high HP AND DRIVE high Hp, their motors are quite expensive and may still require increase maintainence. The parts guys love to show you what they sell. They can't guarantee that it'll last. That's why the ACVW aftermarket is still going, people having to keep buying more stuff! It's a snowball effect really.

I'd REALLY like to have a thread dedicated to the honest stories of breakdown. I've read hundreds over the years, but I think it would be nice to see them all in one spot.

OK, now I'm just tired and grouchy, I should stop. If you can live with a "quick" car, you may be just fine, but if you want a "fast" car that is realiable, you're looking at big, big $. I'm talking over $10K, and that's just getting into the minimum motor, brakes, and suspension, unless you happen to have all these things already stored up for some reason.

My personal story. I had a 1776 built. Forged this, shuffle pinned that, oversized this, HD that, high flow blah. I check all the boxes. Then it didn't rev high enough because the rocker clips fly off. Enter solid rocker shaft. Then this happens, then that happens. Before I got divorced, my ex added up the reciepts. $16k. On a 1776 NA bug lowered and with a decent sound system. That's with a really nice bug to start with. These are little money pits. Fun, awesome little money pits. If you really want something that handles, looks good, goes fast straight and around corners, it's going to cost, that the bottom line. OK, lets hear how I'm wrong!

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