Wishbone suspension bolt on kit - Page 8

tom'72 · #**106** February 24th 2005, 14:57

This looks very interesting, when do you think it will be ready to sell?

**volkdent** · #**107** February 25th 2005, 02:22

Shock is currently a QA1 unit, spring to be determined once the car touches terra firma on rubber again and is weighed. I'd like to get an Ohlins remote reservoir one eventually, but I just want to get this thing running first, then I'll spend the even bigger bucks to get the really good stuff.

As far as when to sell, that one is still up in the air. Bob has mailed me a CD with all the files on it, and I just got a call today that for some reason the price of laser cutting the plates went up from $250 to $300 out of the blue, no changes or nothing!

The original estimate was just for the plates, but Bob has included more parts to be laser cut, as they will be far less expensive then if Walt has to custom fab them up.

Jason

rip · #**108** March 8th 2005, 19:03

volkdent what spindles do you plan on using? CB Stock other?

thanks
rip

**volkdent** · #**109** March 9th 2005, 01:40

Currently the design uses Karmann Ghia spindles, so stock KG. With the same geometry you can use stock drum spindles then to a disc brake conversion. The idea is to keep it simple and use the parts that most cars already have. Using dropped spindles will lower the car more, but the geometry will be off from the ideal the suspension is designed for. As it is, the car will be very low with the current design, you'd be scraping with dropped spindles.

Bob sent me a CD with all the parts of the design on it as well as a 3D model of it. Walt from Walt's Custom Services has it in his hands, and I'm waiting to hear back from him as to what is next.

Jason

rip · #**110** March 13th 2005, 02:25

volkdent (or any one else of course

)with all of this homework you've been doing i was wondering if you've run across the difference between the upper and lower ball joints?

On a lot of double wishbone suspensions the lower arm takes the load, and the upper simplily supports the spindle through the motions. But, does this mean that the lower ball joints are made differently. Other than the fact that the mounting of the lower and upper ball joint differs, if they could be interchanged, would it work?

Can one upper balljoint work for anothers lower?

thanks
Rip

**volkdent** · #**111** March 14th 2005, 01:25

The lower balljoint takes most of the load, its true. The orginal plan for this crazy project was the use of Porsche 928S spindles. The lower balljoints are quite heavy duty, but it IS a V8, and we are working on a VW, much lighter. I had reservations at first, but after reassurances from many sources, I am using the stock VW lower balljoint, and a Ford Galaxy tie rod end for the top one. I have a pair of Volvo P1800 lower balljoints that fit. They are designed for that location, as that car is double wishbone as well. They are a lot more bulky, and the attachement is odd compared to how cleanly the VW one will work. It may have to be changed later, but that's what we've come up with thus far. The VW ones are not interchangable as far as I know, as the top one is longer to go through the eccentric and the thick washer.

Jason

lazylongboarder · #**112** April 5th 2005, 03:01

I really really really really really want this to work and quick! You know not to rush you. I just placed an order with cb performance for my new puma beam, dropped spindles, and other misc. stuff then I read all about this new a-arm setup your building. All i want is the estimated time frame, so just in case I can post pone the front suspension and move to the rear and cancel my order. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS or else they'll send my order and you'll lose a customer on this slick concoction (spelling?).

**volkdent** · #**113** April 5th 2005, 08:52

There is at least a couple more months before the actual suspension is built. Then it has to be thoroughly tested and tweaked to make sure its up for sales quality. Then theres the possible rebuilding to be able to produce it more inexpensively and quickly. I'd get let your order carry through, because though its going to be amazing when it's all said and done, given how long it's taken to get this far, I'm not thinking its going to be ready for sale for at least 6 months, maybe longer.

Fortunately, except for the beam, all the parts you'll be ordering now will bolt right up to the final product I'm putting together. What I don't know about is if it will be TOO low for you, as it is currently designed with stock KG spindles, and to be a good low ride height. Also, the dropped spindles may actually create geometry that is detrimental to the performance being designed into the system in question.

Sorry its not ready now, I know that I would have loved to just plunk down the cash for this thing myself, but be warned, this will be a large chunk of change when it is ready for sale as well.

jason

Troy_Audio · #**114** April 10th 2005, 14:26

Jason
This is by far the sickest setup
Iv been dreaming of this day..
I will get 1 for sure.. Thats a nobrainer
So after you make it,Test,Tweak,test,tweak..
You say 6mo or so..
Sounds good ..
whan you say Avalible But not cheap is that in the
$1500-2500 or $2600+
Thanks Man I just want to be the first to send a check
Peace Troy
P.S.
Whats Instore for the rear?

**volkdent** · #**115** April 11th 2005, 00:44

Hey Troy,

Cost wise I really don't know.

Honestly, I'm just maintaing the energy to actually finish this thing. The idea of making a jig and going through the motions again isn't something I'm thinking about right now. I just want one for me first! It's been a VERY, VERY long haul, and has consumed a lot of my time and money, but once all the kinks are out, it would be much easier to reproduce.

I just emailed the laser cuttting place again, so hopefullly this week I get a quote.

As far as the rear end is concerned, it is currently composed of VW mkII lower control arms and subframe and KW Variant III coilover struts.

Jason

Troy_Audio · #**116** April 11th 2005, 03:39

No biggy
I can only pretend i know what was invalved in this project..
very intence..
With all the prep work & Detail hope you wont have many things to tweak..
Many Thanks Troy

**volkdent** · #**117** April 16th 2005, 12:43

FINALLY! Yesterday I got a reply from the laser cutter. The quote was $500 for cutting and some press brake work. So, theoretically, a couple of weeks from now I should have many of the parts needed to start fabrication, and I'll be sending everything to Walt to get going on it. Is that a small flicker of light I see at the end of the tunnel?

Jason

DORIGTT · #**118** April 17th 2005, 11:11

And it's a really bright light!

**volkdent** · #**119** April 29th 2005, 14:16

Just got this file from Bob. It is a 3D model of the entire suspension. If anyone wants to see this thing in real time, drop me an email and I'll send it to you.

You'll need this reader:

http://www.modelpress.com/download.htm

Laser cut parts should be done on Monday, then Walt confirmed he's ready to get started fabbing this thing up.

Jason

effvee · #**120** May 5th 2005, 13:35

Hi, is anyone doing any mod for a super?

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