Street motor

[vdubguy]

Ok im lost! i have been trying to figure out what size motor i can go and still be a daily driver and be fast and still be NA. Theres gotto be some one that has a very fast bug/13's and still drive it back and forth to work.

[chug_A_bug]

you Looking For T1 your T4??

[ricola]

That's the exact reason I went for Subaru... Other than the fact I'm happy to go turbo and faster than 13's!

[Eatoniashoprat]

Originally Posted by ricola

That's the exact reason I went for Subaru... Other than the fact I'm happy to go turbo and faster than 13's!

Sorry to hijack but have you run yours in the quarter yet?

[ricola]

Haven't finished the new cab yet... Dyno calculator says it should do 12.0s 1/4 mile but I'm building it for the street not the drag so won't be biasing gearing etc to chase numbers.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by ricola

Haven't finished the new cab yet... Dyno calculator says it should do 12.0s 1/4 mile but I'm building it for the street not the drag so won't be biasing gearing etc to chase numbers.

Its still a bogus reason to go subaru and now I also proved it! My current stock long block type 4 2.0 engine just did a 11.99 in the 1/4 and it is heavy as hell because its a street/track-day car above all.
Dyno'd at 270 FWHP or 235 RWHP (have dyno sheet and time slip to prove both!) at just 14 psi an pump gas.
Oh, and it did 32 mpg average town/freeway driving back from the track!

---> Subaru engines are totally NOT 'neccesary' for anything (not trying to piss you off Rich, just making a point )
I know, I know, apples and oranges

[Sandeep]

You can add me to the sub 12 sec group as well ... 2.0 T4 Daily driver Not NA but its a heavy GL beetle

Subies have their place but a turbo T4 can get you there as well.

Sandeep

[ricola]

Originally Posted by Wally

---> Subaru engines are totally NOT 'neccesary' for anything (not trying to piss you off Rich, just making a point )
I know, I know, apples and oranges

I completely agree they are not necessary, I just prefer driving to wrenching on engines! You can pick up a complete subaru donor for the price of an aftermarket ECU these days and give me a fully engineered stock powerful engine over a tweeked one any day..

[evilC]

Going back to the original purpose of the thread, there is no sustitute for cubes and if you take that premise it boils down to cost per cube.

The scooby route looks very attractive but hanging that great lump out of the back has its own compromises. I'm currently playing around with some thoughts on supercharging and rotary power to acheive the fun quotient.

evilC

[volkdent]

Originally Posted by ricola

I completely agree they are not necessary, I just prefer driving to wrenching on engines! You can pick up a complete subaru donor for the price of an aftermarket ECU these days and give me a fully engineered stock powerful engine over a tweeked one any day..

Rich is right, there's a reason you can't buy new aircooled vehicles any more, and it's not just because of emissions... I like working on my car, but I like to drive the snot out of it too and not be having to fix it all the time, and I don't mean just back and forth 5 miles to work, I mean take it to the track, drive across country, whatever, the reliability leans towards watercooled and modern technology.

Originally Posted by evilC

Going back to the original purpose of the thread, there is no sustitute for cubes and if you take that premise it boils down to cost per cube.

The scooby route looks very attractive but hanging that great lump out of the back has its own compromises. I'm currently playing around with some thoughts on supercharging and rotary power to acheive the fun quotient.

evilC

Rotary is great for HP, not so good for torque, and you're still dealing with a finicky motor type. Very good for weight though!!!

Jason

[Wally]

Originally Posted by volkdent

Rich is right, there's a reason you can't buy new aircooled vehicles any more, and it's not just because of emissions... I like working on my car, but I like to drive the snot out of it too and not be having to fix it all the time, and I don't mean just back and forth 5 miles to work, I mean take it to the track, drive across country, whatever, the reliability leans towards watercooled and modern technology.

Rich is not right, but we all have our preferences I suppose. Personnaly I think bugs and aircooled should be connected. Part of the hobby and claiming to be within the german-style is adapting modern technology to the ancient (aircooled) technology and show them and yourself that it can be done!

I won't go as far as calling a non aircooled (maybe with the waterboxer as an exception as its orginal a further developed type 1-ish design) bug Not-german-style, but am certainly leaning towards that. To me german-style and a 'custom car' are definately two different things... but I still can and will respect anyones taste on non-stock bugs

As I and many others have shown, the type 4 engine can do all that what has been mentioned above and then some more wrt what used old suby engines can. The issue of 'difficulty' or wrenching time is really lame because to install a watercooled suby engine in an aircooled bug and do it even a little nicely in order that it really IS reliable (cooling!), takes as much if not more time than building a proper type 4!

I really don't understand it either though, as both Volksdent and Ricola are VERY good builders and plenty creative and have invested also quite some in their cars. So why don't you guys use this to make a really respectable effort with your cars by keeping it aircooled and give it that extra ?

OTOH, maybe enough has been said about this subject

[gonebuggy]

Originally Posted by Sandeep

You can add me to the sub 12 sec group as well ... 2.0 T4 Daily driver Not NA but its a heavy GL beetle

Subies have their place but a turbo T4 can get you there as well.

Sandeep

Daily driven? Come on now Sandeep, that's a stretch!

Alex

[Bad bug]

I haven't posted here in a long while, but as to how i see it these guys than went watercooled should have kept it in the family, by this i mean going waterboxer. My friend here in jamaica went watercooled sometime ago and everyone here said he couldn't do it it wouldn't work but i was surprised to see that the engine fit better than the original 1600 aircooled engine with lots of room to spare. This was a direct bolt in a fare. Well just look at this video of a 2.8ltr waterboxer with 850whp.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_upA5xLdM

[Sandeep]

Originally Posted by gonebuggy

Daily driven? Come on now Sandeep, that's a stretch!

Alex

It was daily driven last year to dyno day and the 1/4 mile, and almost every day in between. This year is a different story as I am relacing the pan halves.

I had no issues with driving my car every day that I could last year.

Sandeep

[vdubguy]

Thank you all for the info very useful...Im going to change the subject hope ya all don't mind? take a look at this vdub and its clean but im wondering why so slow or im just use to the 260 hp of my stang but it cant be i had a 72 Vdub 1600 single carb and it pulled very well and after test driving it sounds good starts very easy very clean no oil leaks but seems slow? does it seem like a good deal? please advise as its been over 10 years since i drove a vdub

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