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I'd email the photos to the seller (Jake?) and see what he says.
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thanks!!!
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You can buy a set of those lifters alone. They are Scat Lube-A-Lobe lifters with SLR treatment (Polished/Parkerized). I think aircooled.net sells them. From what I see in the pix, it looks like there is still parkerizing in the pits.
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Thanks for the useful information!!
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I had some pits in the faces of my lifters (same brand). Not as many as you have. I put them back and ran thru the break-in ordeal (3000 RPM for 30 min.) again. Pulled them for inspection (also looked at the cam lobes). I did it a total of 4 times to be sure (total of 2 hrs at 3000 RPM). The faces polished up nice and they are running fine. I did not have any pits in the sides so I cant speak to that.
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after break-in put some ZDDP additive in the oil to protect it from further wear. Zinc was removed from most motor oils in the late 90's but most older non-cat equipped cars with flat tappet /lifters need it. The pits you see comes from the heat treating and will work harden further during the break-in procedure.
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ZDDP should be added just after the break-in? I'm planning to use it during the break-in procedure (and maybe after as well). Is it OK? Thanks
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I also wouldnt worry about those lifters. From my own research cams are not really hardened in the sense that they get heat treated to a specific rocwell number. the lobe and follower must be the same or very very close on the hardness scale so that the one may not wear/dig into the other. as the cam an lifters break in this constant motion against each other hammers both surfaces and this hardens the cam surface. a good example is you bending a piece of wire repeatedly as this is done the wire becomes stiifer and eventually breaks. This same process happens with the cam and the lifter and cam becomes progressively harder with use antil the surface is so hard that flabes come off it and this is the pits commonly seen in worn cams and lifters. the pits in your lifters do not resemble that type of pitting as it usually has very sharp edges.
Parkerising as a method does not harden the cam but actually etches the surface uniformly this slightly rough surface is used for two reasons: it retains oil due to the microscopic pits in the metal and also aids in corrosion protection (it was developed as a low cost method of protecting weapons by the US Army) On your lifters the fact that the photos show them to have rotated is possibly the best news as this mean that the cam and lifters are happy with each other. the moment the lifter stops rotating even the best cam and lifter will be destroyed. The slight pits is actually good as it will retain lubricant much like the grooves in a bearing. Armand
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Lube them back up on the faces with cam/lifter lube. Oil the sides and put them back in the same bores they came out of. Make sure you are using an oil with 1200 ppm ZDDP or higher and do the break-in run again (3K rpm for 30 min.) and see if they are still turning and have no hack marks on the faces.
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At least 1200 ppm ZDDP in your oil at all times. Around 1800 ppm for break-in.
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Perfect, thanks
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Bad news that I've sold the car so engine should stay on the standard for a while. Will open a new topic for the newbie. Before: After :-)
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