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Old July 21st 2004, 00:03
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The perfomance type 4 has a W I D E torque band that should do what you want.
Yes, as in power from ANYWHERE. Drop the hammer from any rpm and you're goin!
And, there is something to be said about driving a bug with the tranny it has! You have to experience it.
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Old July 21st 2004, 13:14
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I was just analising and compareing gearing of what I think of modern fast cars. M3, several Porsches, Viper, Vette. I also did BMW 325is, 944, some celicas, corrado VR6

They all share many characteristis. Though all different (except the V8's first gears are WAY different) They all can take 1st to about 40, second to about 70, 3rd to about 100. Which is about what I want to do. With a Cruseing 4th.

Although 1st to 50, 2nd to 80, 3rd to 110 would be spiffy the power and RPMs to get there would be way out there. And would no doubt have to spend much more money. And I am unsure how confident it would be pulling out of corners becouse of the RPMs required to go at X amount of rate. You'd be making X amount of power. But you'd need X amout of power to take off in 1st smoothely, however unless made up for the with sheer RPMS (ie reving to 8 grand) the 1st in this set up would probibly be simililer to 2nd in the stock setup becouse of the custom gearing that there would be no real point except for better regulating of top speed?

New M3 @ 8k. 40, 68, 102, 139, 171, 206. (under 10:1 HP:lb)

911 (Turbo, Carerra. The same form about 96+ 8k (8200 redline but I took the numbers at 8k) 45 80 111 143 173 203
9k 51 91 125 161 195 229 Both of which are WAY powerful

It was interesting to see Viper (also way powerful) @6 grand
57 86 117 152 206 305

My VR6 @7 (under 10:1 HP:lb)
40, 68, 101, 128, 157


All of these are interesting to ponder on. Some of these 5/6 speeds you think hmm I could have made the gearing way lower (who wants to accel on the street over 100 anyway?) but then 1st, 2nd becouse way useless. No burn out gears!!


I did these with factory tires on the cars. It's interesting to see vipers advantage not only in HP but there is so much power there he can wind those gears out bigtime!
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this thread is going in circles

Mysticle I can only repeat the advice everyone else has given in a similar yet different way. I would establish a budget, meaning find out how much money you really have and want to spend on this powertrain. Once you have a concrete dollar figure I would give Jake a call and tell him what you want. This takes all of the pain out of number crunching and research. He has done all of the work for you already you just have to call and tell him what you want. The biggest difference you have to consider between a type 1 tranny and all of the ones you just listed is 4 gears vs. 6. That means they have to be taller which in turn means a wider power band to optimize the gearing (i.e. type 4). Save your money for awhile and call Mr. Raby. And it may be helpful to take a cruise in a beetle so you can get an idea for how little power you need to make them fly. With 200 ponies you would damn near kill yourself.
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Old July 21st 2004, 14:21
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Mysticle I can only repeat the advice everyone else has given in a similar yet different way. I would establish a budget, meaning find out how much money you really have and want to spend on this powertrain. Once you have a concrete dollar figure I would give Jake a call and tell him what you want. This takes all of the pain out of number crunching and research. He has done all of the work for you already you just have to call and tell him what you want. The biggest difference you have to consider between a type 1 tranny and all of the ones you just listed is 4 gears vs. 6. That means they have to be taller which in turn means a wider power band to optimize the gearing (i.e. type 4). Save your money for awhile and call Mr. Raby. And it may be helpful to take a cruise in a beetle so you can get an idea for how little power you need to make them fly. With 200 ponies you would damn near kill yourself.
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I have to say that a rotary is the best way to go. Check out www.nopistons.com (I post on there too) Everyone there is very knowledgable. You can also go with carbs or EFI. My bro has a 1975 Mazda Repu (Rotary Engine Pick-Up) with about 250hp and it is a perfect daily driver. You can make as much power as you would ever want in a VW and the engines last forever as long as they have oil and gas. However if you dont change your oil, you loose an engine. Or if you run out of gas (or get fuel slosh) you loose an engine. They are fixable but you usually need a new houseing
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For no money and 115 easy HP stock, 1.8 VW, just to keep things VW. Will last forever, plenty in the junkyards, mucho parts. Put on an Audi 4000 intake manifold CHEAP and you won't have to have any restrictive stuff on the exhaust or intake. For the money, can't touch reliability or power, but the PanelFantastic has a good idea too, and new.

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Old July 22nd 2004, 16:52
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alot of those sound good, but lots of work to make them work.

For 115, 120HP can't I use a super lightly modified 2L type 4?

Oh, What's the story with these things not being good on the freeway and catching on fire? (I saw that hapen a few years ago. Bug in front of me went around a corner and cought on fire!)
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Oh, What's the story with these things not being good on the freeway and catching on fire? (I saw that hapen a few years ago. Bug in front of me went around a corner and cought on fire!)
Frayed fuel lines. As long as you change the lines every so often you won't ever run into any problems. Unfortunately beetles have gotten a bad fire reputation because people don't perform simple maintenance.
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Old July 22nd 2004, 19:12
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Are the fuel lines rubber or what? I was planing on running a new tank and fuel lines. Can I just run rubber ones or are there specal molded ones I need to buy?
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Just get the propper size rubber fuel line and clamp all the connections.
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The stock fuel lines are fine you just have to look at them every now and again to make sure they aren't cracked or leaking.
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I was going to replace them, just for good mesure. If rubber lines work. I'll use em. (I'm also geting a painless wireing kit and making wireing to move the battery to the front with all new electronics (as I can)) just for good measure.

I'm fimiler with old european electronics!! (ie Trimuph!)
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Old July 23rd 2004, 18:39
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. . .and clamp all the connections. . .
Yes! :agree:
Probably the number one reason why engines catch fire. Mine did the day after a shop(of all people) didn't clamp my hoses...
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besides the fire hazard, what other littler "querks" (especially the more dangerous ones) should I be aware of?
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If you get a Super Beetle, chances are, unless they've done it already, you'll need to replace or at least inspect the entire front suspension setup. Ball joints, tie rods, pitman arm bushings, steering box, etc...

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