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Old January 12th 2006, 00:00
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Calling: Joe Varga (AKA Carbon Joe)

Im assuming you know the situation Joe, I have constantly sent you requests for contact but you still insist on ignoring me and the issue about the 911 dash of mine.

I have not recived any contact from you in months. You have had my dash for 2 years now with the intentions of making a Carbonfiber replica of the 911 dash i supplied to you for a mold. (Why i allowed this to happen i dont know..)

PLEASE CONTACT ME!
By email: super_nitro_child@msn.com
By phone: (541) 598-3104
By Cell phone: (541) 771-2686

Mail fraud is a crime i do think....

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Old January 12th 2006, 12:40
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Johnathan...

accusing someone of fraud is a serious thing. For one, do you realize how
hard it is to prove? You have to prove intent. Not giving someone something
that they paid for is not necessarily fraud. Fraud is one you actually schemed
to take people money and not supply someone with a product of service.
Fraud is a criminal act. Accussing someone of fraud, means that you believe
that it was their intent to steal your money and not give you anything for it.

Carbon Joe on the other had has supplied hundreds of people with product.
His situation in life changed and he may no longer have the time/nor the
money to supply product to people that already paid for it. This my friend is
not fraud. This is civil. All Joe has to do in a court of law is prove that he
supplied hundreds of his product to customers and even if he has 20
customers that didnt get product, that isnt fraud if he intended to supply
that product, but circumstances beyond his control didnt allow him to supply
that product to them.

Lots of companies have hardships (usually financial) and the customer suffers.
Normally, when victims report this to the authorities, they will be told to go
to civil court to sue them. This is never usually brought to criminal court
unless a proven track record of defrauding has gone on and the prosecutor
had enough evidence to bring it before the courts.
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Old January 12th 2006, 21:45
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True... i dont think he has intened to take two years (he told me around 6 or so months originaly). This is the LAST place i would post such a comment about somone. but for WAY to long Joe has not contacted me on this issue.(Last contact from him was 2/14/05) I was foolish not to get his home number and he has not contacted me after asking for his number countless times.

I dont want to say he is a faud... but this kind of treatment is NOT acceptable. About 3 years ago i did do a transaction with him over the internet (i purchased a small sheet of Carbon fiber from him) and all went smooth. AT THE VERY LEAST he could contact me, and/or give back the original dash (the mold, if it's at all usable). I have seen him post on this board a few times (such as his leave announcment and follow up posts to responses) so WHY cant he have the courtesy to contact me... he IS around.

Im just super tired of all the false hopes and ignorance.

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Old March 19th 2006, 01:22
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Still no contact... how do i get a hold of him? Any one? a phone number that works?

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