Wasserboxer in my beetle??

[beherenow.tk]

Hi there,

This is my first post here.

I currently have a 1967 VW beetle 1500 with a singleport 1300F engine.
I read a little piece about someone putting a wbx engine into his Type 3 and I know it has been put into beetles as well. I read that it's a cheaper alternative over a big Type 1 or Type 4 engine and quite similar to a Type 1. I also read that it is not a very hard thing to work with.

Now, my question is as a newbie would I be able to put a wasserboxer engine into my beetle without any real time restraints.

I read they are, at least in Holland, not very hard to come by on junkyards. I also found a 2.1 litre 90bhp for 250 euros (is that reasonable?)

What is your opinion about the things I just said. And can you give me an indication of $$$ etc.

Perhaps a link to a website where it has been done? I mean i have seen pics, but not really any useful info.

Cheers!
Diederick

[kdanie]

It can and has been done. You need to fabricate a cooling system but mostly it's a bolt in from what I have seen. I don't know of any websites documenting the swap.

Looking back I would have used the wasser instead of a type 4 myself.

ken

http://clubvw.org.au/steve.htm

[scottystraub]

http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions

[Steve C]

Hi

I did it 1988, im now going Subaru power.

Steve

This may be of help, let me know if I can be of any help.

Wasserboxer in a Beetle.

The Wasserboxer has received some bad press for headstud problems; coolant leaks and assorted other woes. These problems seem to occur when proper VW servicing techniques are not used, VW coolant and distilled water.

The Wasserboxer motor in my VW Beetle has been looked after as far correct coolant is concerned; I also use distilled water mixed with genuine VW coolant. I fitted an Oettinger 85° thermostat instead of the standard 87°. These don’t seem to be available anymore so I have modified a Mercedes one to fit. The top part of the thermostat is the same as the VW one, but the lower bypass part has a larger diameter flange. This can easily be made the correct diameter by first marking out the correct diameter circle with a pair of dividers and the grind the flange down to the marked circle, it doesn’t need to a perfect circle. I also got rid of water-cooled oil-cooler as I have heard that they can fail. I’m running an air cooled oil cooler with a Setrab thermo block at the front of the radiator.

As far as the rest of the motor goes it is extremely reliable, I give my bug heaps. I have bent one Scat pushrod (I’m now running Berg ones) and had 2 water pumps fail in about 100,000 Ks since 1988 and have had a few coolant hoses fail. My bug is also in constant state of improvement, so some things are always changing.

The Wasserboxers use 2 styles of cooling systems, basically the 1.9 and 2.1 litre style. I prefer the 2.1 style.

Fitting the motor is much the same as fitting a type 4 motor, same style of flywheel. The thermostat housing which sits above # 3 exhaust port needs to have some body clearancing. The water hose that runs from the water pump to the thermostat housing needs to be modified at the water pump end. It basically would run straight through the left-hand rear bumper bracket. Any Beetle exhaust can be used, #1 & # 4 exhaust flanges need to be rotated 90°. In the engine bay I used basically the whole Wasserboxer cooling system and condensed it to fit. You will need a steel coolant ring main as the plastic one cant be shortened easily.

The coolant runs to and from the front of the car via 1.5-inch stainless steel tubes. These follow the chassis bolts along the bottom of the heater channels. I have just upgraded my radiator with a modified Ford Transit radiator. After some gentle prompting from a fellow list user MARTINSR, yesterday I went out and bought an after market thermo fan from Davies Craig http://www.daviescraig.com.au/. It’s meant to be used for a 5 litre V8 and pumps 2120 CFM, so far its working really well, we are having 40 ° + days down here at the moment. I previously used a BMW radiator and Audi 100 thermo fan. Cool air is brought into the radiator through an A/C louvered front apron. I removed the deformation plate at the front of the chassis to allow more air in. I had to also remove the spare wheel well and I just left the rounded edge for a bit of extra strength, I supplemented the spare wheel wells strength with angle steel. My radiator is around 550 mm across and 450 mm deep on the cooling surface, it’s actually a little wider where the tanks are on the side. The radiator sits on a U shaped holder right down on the chassis and comes very close to the under bonnet and leans forward about 5°. I fabricated a sheetmetal alloy housing to guide the cooling air in and let the heated air exit over the front end. I basically used some angle aluminum for the edges and then filled this in with very thin aluminum sheet. In case you hadn’t already realised my bug is a super. I have seen radiators fitted to standard bugs but I have no experience with this. My spare wheel sits on top my fuel tank on a bracket attached to the strut brace.

Original heater channels were retained and warm air is directed from a Toyota troop carrier heater core under the rear seat opposite the battery, to the interior via early Audi 100 brake cooling fan on the right hand side and via the troopy fan on the left hand side. I have used the rear seat heater cable to operate heater shut off valve.

My Kombi motor was purchased new in 1988 and is 2.1 litre its DJ engine number type 10.5:1 compression, 112 BHP type. I original ran the motor with dual webbers Berg cam. In preparation for a turbo the motor was been decompressed to 8.0:1 and the cam changed back to standard. 1.4 berg rockers are used.

I’m using an after market EFI system with the factory manifold, the injectors in the stock manifold sit in a horizontal plane so the side panels in engine bay that the engine tray seal fits in need to be modified or removed.

[beherenow.tk]

Wow,

I already visited those website, but still thanks! And Steve, that sounds impressive thanks!

I am just wondering, I have no experience with engines, though I am learning to understand my 1300F, and no experience with welding. Although I have relatives that might help me a little.

If I could get my hands on a nice WBX, preferably a 2.1L, and pay a visit to some junkyards for a radiator and heater etc. Would I able be able to manage? Are there any books?

Or is this a definite "no chance!"?

Cheers!

[beherenow.tk]

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