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Old April 27th 2005, 19:11
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Holy Crap!!!

New Kafer Cup Bar from Bugpack... its about time one of the bigger
companies stepped up made these at a reduced rate.

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Old April 27th 2005, 21:56
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I saw that too. Looks good from the picture. :agree:

I doubt it would be strong enough to straighten frame horns, but I've never seen it in person.
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Old April 27th 2005, 23:18
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I'm probably not gonna make any friends with what I have to say, but here goes: ("the truth will set you free")

Heim rod ends are designed to a link that needs to articulate. In order for the ball in a rod end swivel within the socket, there must be clearance. Makes sense right? If there was no clearance, the ball wouldn't move. So, it makes NO sense to me that people use heim joints for a stiffening component. For a link that has to rotate, it's the perfect component. For a link that is intended to be stiff and not move, is is the worst component. There is clearance within the joint itself that will only increase with wear. So basically people out there are designing a stiffening component that isn't stiff, and will get less stiff with wear. Hmmm.

Take a look around, all the guys in the know use a solid clevis end for any kind of chassis stiffening link. So why do you see the prevalance of heim joints in 'braces'. Think about it, it's easy to design. You don't have to concern yourself with proper angles and link orientation cuz the heim will take care of that. It's a cop-out for poor design.

Alright, I've vented.

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Old April 27th 2005, 23:59
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My PTP brace doesn't move at all even with the bolts loose. It has the solid clevis ends on it...
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Old April 28th 2005, 01:29
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not to mention it looks weaker if you ask me, the two drops that support the frame horns are connected a distance in from the mounts. if you tried to preload the frame horn you'd probably start to bend the crap out of the horizontal support beam. I agree poor design, but hopfully the price causes others to lower theirs.

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Old April 28th 2005, 09:57
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Lanner,

I agree. My Cup Brace (The proper one ) has nicely machined aluminum ends ... very similar to the Heigo stuff. As a test, I put a jack underneith one of the frame horns to lift the car ... guess what .... no measured flex with a dial indicator. I know I made the right choice.

An interesting side note is the rear suspension has been made stiffer with the addition of the brace. I had to adjust my whiteline swaybar and made it one notch looser.

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