WRX and Porsche g50 help and parts list

[graham]

Hi to all the GL users and thanks in advance for any help or inoput anyone offers.

I am building a car for street use with the odd track day and run on the strip.

I am not a mechanic and my knowledge is limited to what I have learnt on here and other forums.

Ive been a member on here for about 7 years and have been trying for years to get my dream car together.Unfourtunately building such a car and finding the right people to trust and do a proper job has been a minefield to say the least.It has now come to the point of me having to take court action against the company who I paid to installed my subaru engine.I will leave it at that for now for legal reasons as the case is on going.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

So its time to pull the **** engine and gearbox work out of the car and start again.

So I am well and truly bitten and obviously twice shy.

And a word of warning, be extremly cautious of any self proclaimed and so caled vw/subaru specialists who operate in the UK .

I am now trying to get some help in putting togeher a parts list and any advice for my new engine and gearbox setup.

I want to go 2 liter subaru turbo with porsche g50.

I have a 1303 with a cage,and the brakes and suspension is complete and its got 18 inch rims.

I know who I want to do the engine and gearbox workand have found a good subaru engine builder who I am more than happy with.. I need to give him an idea of how I want the power to be delivered for street use,ie not sudden bursts of power when the turbo kicks in that will throw me in a ditch.Any input from those members on here who have driven beetles on the street with 300 -350 bhp would be apreciated. I can apparently have five maps with the aftermarket ECUs so i gues that covers most situations ? I just want to ask advice on drivability, turbos clutches ie porsche or subaru hydralic ? adapter plates, etc basically a parts list.When buying a g50 what else should I try to get with it, drive shafts ? any advivce on shifters for the G50 ? drive shaft setups ?

It might seem that I am asking members to reveal all in one thread but I have done tons of reading and research on here over the years and I thought it woul be a good idea to get a thread together with lots of info in one place.I think it would also be interesting to see peoples different ideas of there ideal setups.Also any other pitfalls and problematic areas and things to be aware of

I would like to thank in advance all those involved in the site and members for keeping me interested and motivated in this great hobby of tuning/modifying of these amazing cars.:) AND YES I WILL GET THERE ONE DAY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON :(

[Birdman69]

I wouldn't recommend a g50 conversion as it is very hard to fit that and an Ej20t into a beetle with nothing hanging out. You would have to cut the torsion housing to move the gearbox forward enough to get the twin cam heads under the rear valance. Not a simple job, especially of you have to pay someone to do it.
I have just ordered a ver3 sti front cut. It comes with a 5-speed and with the use of a subarugears reversed ring and pinion kit will make the installation a whole lot easier. No adaptor plates issues, no clutch issues, cheap clutches, all factory and easy.
With regard to power, don't be tempted to put on a big turbo. I dont think you are looking for 400kw and a hand grenade?? Stick to one of the vf series turbos, 23,22,30,34 get a good intercooler (i recomend water to air) and you will have more power than you will ever need. I saw a stock wrx engined (155kw) beetle at santa pod last year doing low elevens all day long.

[graham]

I wouldn't recommend a g50 conversion as it is very hard to fit that and an Ej20t into a beetle with nothing hanging out. You would have to cut the torsion housing to move the gearbox forward enough to get the twin cam heads under the rear valance. Not a simple job, especially of you have to pay someone to do it.
I have just ordered a ver3 sti front cut. It comes with a 5-speed and with the use of a subarugears reversed ring and pinion kit will make the installation a whole lot easier. No adaptor plates issues, no clutch issues, cheap clutches, all factory and easy.
With regard to power, don't be tempted to put on a big turbo. I dont think you are looking for 400kw and a hand grenade?? Stick to one of the vf series turbos, 23,22,30,34 get a good intercooler (i recomend water to air) and you will have more power than you will ever need. I saw a stock wrx engined (155kw) beetle at santa pod last year doing low elevens all day long.

Hi Birdman69, thanks for the response.

I have read a lot about the g50 vs the reverse cut gears option.Allthough the g50 is a more difficult install I have heard nothing but praise for these boxes from people such as Wally.Once installed it will hopefully be fit and forget to a degree but also if I ever did decide to drag race it the g50 should be good for 450 bhp.The reverse cut idea is very clever and I admire Treibler for producing it but what puts me off at the moment is the fact that it has not had much real world use/abuse,plus if he ever decided to stop making them and I needed a replacement I would be back to sqaure one.

Thanks for the turbo advice I will talk to my engine builder and ( water to air ) recomendation.:thumbup:

Graham

[Turbonutta]

what no aircooled....

[graham]

what no aircooled....

No,no aircooled, I dont want to start a debate here aircooled vs water but for me a subaru engine thats 20 years newer and thats been designed to produce large amounts of BHP and take abuse, that will have better fuel economy and give me a heater to de mist my windscreen is my chosen route.

A 300 bhp engine is what Im thinking of possibly 350 and I can get that for 4- 5 k ish.I cant see me doing that with a type 4 or type 1 engine,as I need someone else to build it for me.I have never built and engine nor want to attempt doing it.I would have a crack at putting a 1600 twin port together but large type 4s are well beyond me in both budget and ability.horses for courses, I build houses I wouldnt want an engine builder to build me a house,nuff said.

Anyway thanks for the comment all are welcome.

I am going to do some more research and go through some more of the project builds on here again and other forums and start putting a parts list together to let people see what they think, and for them to leave comments.

There are so many factors to consider and parts, and as I have said I am no mechanic just someone who wants a fast gl look bug :)

So parts list so far

ej20 closed deck block with 92.00mm (Std bore) Wossner forged pistons

ACL main and big end bearings

Std size crank (rear thrust position)

Williams H beam forged steel connecting rods with arp bolts

High pressure oil pump

Cometic 1.2mm steel headgaskets

Version 4 STI cylinder heads

After market ECU

bosch high pressure fuel pump ,lift pump,swirl pot

rjes shallow sump

Porsche g50 short nose

Kennedy adapter plate ?

any suggestions on clutches apreciated, ie subaru porsche

[Turbonutta]

Ah a heater now i see why you want one..

Sounds like your chosen powerplant will be awesome have you chosen an ecu yet im really happy with my omex 600,

I run a polo 1.4 liter radiator in the front valence to cool my charge cooler it has a renault 5 turbo fan on the back maybe a simular setup could cool the scoobbbyyyy lump, its all hidden by the bumper

not sure on the clutch wont kennedy do you a flywheel to mate the porsche clutch to the subaru engine, they made me a type4 to porsche 915 flywheel only issue was saving enough cash for the clutch...ouch

Was it you car in the volksworld show many years ago..if so i have a picture of it i love it

[kai4130]

Hi, guessing your not that far from me then Mr low crime rate....high drug rate though in your hood :lmao:

Have you already built this subaru engine yet? My JDM motor as standard is 260bhp, ditch the cat, better exhaust and intake modifications then get it remapped and you'll be into the 275-300BHP. That's on a standard engine, at £400 a motor I'm prepared to take the risk a couple of times before I shell out the big bucks for the race motor. The people I've taken out in my car have all said its an amazing sensation of speed when it's boosting hard, its not the same for me though, my daily driver is 540bhp, I'm used to acceleration. If I could get my 915 to shift quicker then I think that my Beamer and my notch would be well matched.

Also.... What engine you basing your build one??? What year? You mention v4 sti heads. The different phase engines have different stud patterns for the inlet manifold, the later engines don't have a MAF, also the IAC is in different positions too. I ask this as you don't want to be attempting to run a phase one ecu and wiring on a phase 2 engine with phase 1.5 heads and inlet manifold. Will be difficult to get it running.

Everybody I know that's done a conversion will tell you to buy a donar vehicle and not an incomplete engine.


RJES don't make a shallow sump to my knowledge, however you can easily modify the Subaru sump to raise the bottom of it to the level of the exhaust headers gaining 25-30mm and keep the same quantity of oil.


Good luck finding short nose G50. Knowing what I know now I wouldnt fit my 915 but I'd go for the Subaru gears route. Overall it would be cheaper and easier to install.

If you for Kennedy adaptor, when you buy it tell them you want a clutch and they can supply you with one.


Too many questions to answer


OH FAMILY GUY JUST STARTED


HTH

[graham]

Ah a heater now i see why you want one..

Sounds like your chosen powerplant will be awesome have you chosen an ecu yet im really happy with my omex 600,

I run a polo 1.4 liter radiator in the front valence to cool my charge cooler it has a renault 5 turbo fan on the back maybe a simular setup could cool the scoobbbyyyy lump, its all hidden by the bumper

not sure on the clutch wont kennedy do you a flywheel to mate the porsche clutch to the subaru engine, they made me a type4 to porsche 915 flywheel only issue was saving enough cash for the clutch...ouch

Was it you car in the volksworld show many years ago..if so i have a picture of it i love it



Hi Turbonutta thanks for the response.

Not sure on the ecu yet but the omex has good reviews.

The polo rad sounds like a good idea I willl look into that.I spoke to someone yesterday re; the kennedy clutch he said they should do the adapter and clutch set up complete.I will have a look at Ricolas set up as he has done they same conversion and his project is incredibly well done I need to go through his build thread when I get time.

Oh and no my car wasnt at the volksworld show maybee next year.

Graham

[graham]

Hi, guessing your not that far from me then Mr low crime rate....high drug rate though in your hood :lmao:

Have you already built this subaru engine yet? My JDM motor as standard is 260bhp, ditch the cat, better exhaust and intake modifications then get it remapped and you'll be into the 275-300BHP. That's on a standard engine, at £400 a motor I'm prepared to take the risk a couple of times before I shell out the big bucks for the race motor. The people I've taken out in my car have all said its an amazing sensation of speed when it's boosting hard, its not the same for me though, my daily driver is 540bhp, I'm used to acceleration. If I could get my 915 to shift quicker then I think that my Beamer and my notch would be well matched.

Also.... What engine you basing your build one??? What year? You mention v4 sti heads. The different phase engines have different stud patterns for the inlet manifold, the later engines don't have a MAF, also the IAC is in different positions too. I ask this as you don't want to be attempting to run a phase one ecu and wiring on a phase 2 engine with phase 1.5 heads and inlet manifold. Will be difficult to get it running.

Everybody I know that's done a conversion will tell you to buy a donar vehicle and not an incomplete engine.


RJES don't make a shallow sump to my knowledge, however you can easily modify the Subaru sump to raise the bottom of it to the level of the exhaust headers gaining 25-30mm and keep the same quantity of oil.


Good luck finding short nose G50. Knowing what I know now I wouldnt fit my 915 but I'd go for the Subaru gears route. Overall it would be cheaper and easier to install.

If you for Kennedy adaptor, when you buy it tell them you want a clutch and they can supply you with one.


Too many questions to answer


OH FAMILY GUY JUST STARTED


HTH

Hi mate thanks for the pointers.

Oh and the crime rates not too bad here just need to bolt everything to the fooking floor, I have put some large ornamental planters on my mums drive and I have literally bolted them into the concrete to stop em being half inched :shocked:.thats London.

Ayway I here what your saying re the jdm engines but I dont want to be pulling engines in and out on a regular basis as I have to pay someone to do it. I am trying to get something built good and strong to fit, forget and then abuse.300-350 bhp with the option to increase at a later date.Whats ya views on the fact that the reverse cut option has not had much real world use/abuse and if I needed to replace the gear in the distant future and the bloke is no longer making them I will be back to square one.I think the engine will be based around a phase 1 block 1993-1995 not sure 100 % but need to talk to the engine builder to sort final spec.I am confident he will get it all sorted for me he has a good reputation and is well known in the Subaru rally scene.

I hear what your saying abot buying a complete car but I will be building a new loom fo it so fingers crossed it should all work out.

Your beamer sounds like a laugh 540 bhp:eek:, and is it you who has the blue notch ? oh and whre ya based in mate London.

Graham

[kai4130]

Yeah I know London, tis a **** hole!!!! I work up there most days, but only when only when I have too. However I live just out side Guildford, and the beamer makes light work out of the commute. I discovered yesterday that it its actually 544BHP:lmao:

Dont get me wrong about you building an engine, if you've got the readies spare then why not. I just personally think you may be underestimating these Subaru EJ engines. I'm actually on my second engine but since I've discovered that the old one was fine so now I have a spare engine :D But the price comparison between a built motor and used second hand engine says a lot. built motor I'm guessing is +4K, were as a complete used engine is £400. Thats 10 used engines, if your going through that many engines then there is something not right with the install:eekno:

Either way, as a starting point I'm happy with the amount of power my engines producing and trust me it'll be a very very long time before I'm confident to drive the VW any where near as hard as I do My BMW.


Pulling a Subaru motor from a VW Chassis is no different to pulling the VW OE engine from the same VW chassis, its a days work easy.



With the Reverse cut gears, TTriebler was done some serious R&D on this stuff before he released it, I think He's been doing it for over 4 years by now. I can recall his early days when he was just starting it. I would have gone that way myself but at the time the stuff wasn't available. I could be wrong in saying this but the company that makes the parts for him I'm sure have been making this type of stuff for decades and are a well established company.

Also my experience in failed diffs all comes under my 4X4, usually with a failed halfshaft snapping and then munching the diff internals, even then with loose bits of metal in the diff oil I've not seen the Diff ring gear or pinion gear damaged. The only damage I've seen to a ring gear is the pinion gear support bearing failing, and being left unattended resulting in massive damage to the diff ring gear and pinion gear. I know I'm talking axle Diffs here but they are the same princible to what the Subaru gears stuff does. My point is I personally dont think you'll find trouble with the Subaru gears supplied kit failing itself, the problems will be a result of who ever installed them and how well they've done it. Even then I imagine you'll just rebuld the transmission reusing the Subaru gears stuff. Also I think this is a much more cost effective solution compared to the porsche route. All the porsche components are big money from what I recall, especially at a 20 year old G50 unit fetching over £1500- £2000. For that money alone you could buy a subaru donar car, break it for parts required and sell the left overs and make your money back. Thats what I did :cool:


I'm really pleased with my phase 1 set up, if your interested I have a spare phase one modified loom and Z4 ECU (1995 JDM ECU for the WRX), save you from building one from scratch. Probably a number of other interesting goodies too :D


Yes thats my blue Notch, and before you ask I've fixed the color of the wing mirros:lmao:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/redevol/e64ebb4c.jpg~original



And finally, if your in need of a reputable Mechanic I can certainly vouch for mine as he helped me with my install and has done a number of interesting VW projects.

[Turbonutta]

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/

Hi Graham look at the subaru porsche 914 page maybe some cool bits there for you they do a kit of shiny bits including clutch etc

i will find the old photo..it was before digi cams where popular it really looked like the front of your car!

if you go omex or other system you wont need any subaru loom i made mine (easy peazy) and it worked....!!

TURBONUTTA

[Joel]

The reverse cut idea is very clever and I admire Treibler for producing it but what puts me off at the moment is the fact that it has not had much real world use/abuse,plus if he ever decided to stop making them and I needed a replacement I would be back to sqaure one.

Gday Graham, there's more and more cars getting Subagears conversions here in Aus, just many owners aren;t on forums so you don't hear about them much.

There was a buggy racing at the track at this last weekends VW show.
It had the WRX turbo engine and subagears box with big offroad tyres and flogging around the track he managed to toast the clutch a bit but not hurt the trans at all.

It is a valid concern though that if a replacement R&P were ever needed down the track if the company ceased to exist may be tricky but I also think the R&P would be one of the last parts of a transmission that would fail.

[graham]

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/

Hi Graham look at the subaru porsche 914 page maybe some cool bits there for you they do a kit of shiny bits including clutch etc

i will find the old photo..it was before digi cams where popular it really looked like the front of your car!

if you go omex or other system you wont need any subaru loom i made mine (easy peazy) and it worked....!!

TURBONUTTA
Hi, bit of a delayed response but I had to wait for some new glasses to arrive to stop me getting a headache looking at the computer.

Thanks for your comments/link TURBONUTTA that site seems interesting and I was unaware of them so thanks for that.

I will be having a chat with my engine builder today so I will talk to him about the loom. :cool:

[graham]

Gday Graham, there's more and more cars getting Subagears conversions here in Aus, just many owners aren;t on forums so you don't hear about them much.

There was a buggy racing at the track at this last weekends VW show.
It had the WRX turbo engine and subagears box with big offroad tyres and flogging around the track he managed to toast the clutch a bit but not hurt the trans at all.

It is a valid concern though that if a replacement R&P were ever needed down the track if the company ceased to exist may be tricky but I also think the R&P would be one of the last parts of a transmission that would fail.

Thanks for that Joel,I think i've made up my mind to defo go g50 now though. I almost picked one up the other day for £1200 but got beaten to it :(.

[graham]

Gday Graham, there's more and more cars getting Subagears conversions here in Aus, just many owners aren;t on forums so you don't hear about them much.

There was a buggy racing at the track at this last weekends VW show.
It had the WRX turbo engine and subagears box with big offroad tyres and flogging around the track he managed to toast the clutch a bit but not hurt the trans at all.

It is a valid concern though that if a replacement R&P were ever needed down the track if the company ceased to exist may be tricky but I also think the R&P would be one of the last parts of a transmission that would fail.

Thanks for that Joel,I think i've made up my mind to defo go g50 now though. I almost picked one up the other day for £1200 but got beaten to it :(.

[graham]

Got myself a G50 long nose.Started giving it a good clean and found some cracks on the bell housing around the starter position :( rung the guy I got it from he was fine about it and I genuinely believe he didn't know about the cracking.Just waiting for him to get another box or bell-housing in to replace it.The engine builder is half way through putting the engine together :D:D:D.

Final Spec.

EJ 205 Block ( 2004 STI )
version 4 STI Heads
Williams Steel H beam rods
ARP bolts
STI Forged pistons
STI cross drilled crank
ACL Duraglide bearings
High pressure oil pump
IHI vf24 Turbo
High pressure fuel pump and filter
this should deliver the power smoothly and should be good for 320-330 BHP :D:D:D:D

Kennedy adapter kit will be ordered as soon as I have sorted my gearbox.

[noslzzp]

Graham, I know it's too late but did you consider the EZ30 H6 Subaru motor? It's the boxer 6 and is good for around 300HP naturally aspirated. I used to have a 911SC and the repair bills are ridiculous. I think you'll experience a touch of this with your G50, I'm afraid. I had also looked at the G50 but decided to go all Subie for the power train. Keep us posted!

[graham]

Graham, I know it's too late but did you consider the EZ30 H6 Subaru motor? It's the boxer 6 and is good for around 300HP naturally aspirated. I used to have a 911SC and the repair bills are ridiculous. I think you'll experience a touch of this with your G50, I'm afraid. I had also looked at the G50 but decided to go all Subie for the power train. Keep us posted!

Hi thanks for your input sorry for delayed response I wanted to leave a worthy response but seem to have no time to do anything these days apart from work and help look after the kids.

I had thought about the EZ30 but I seem to remember hearing that the wiring/ ECU part of the install could be very difficult so I decided against it.My G50 is going off for a health check soon so hopefully I will have no problems.I have managed to get my hands on a second hand Quaife LSD its brand new in the box and has never been installed.To say I am happy with this purchase is an understatement as I only paid £500 for it :D a lot of dosh but they are over£1200 now so I had to have it.

I love the look of your ghia,that is gonna be some car when your finished,I will be checking how your getting on.Unfourtunately at the moment I can't do a lot on my car due to a pending court case,so I am collecting and cleaning parts and doing more research.


Regards Graham

[rennsport]

for the sump there is martin bott at Bugat5speed

for the gearbox, if I do beginning another swap , I ll take probably the Subarugear kit...when you ll buy the gearbox, the plate, the porsche clutch, the porsche gearshifter, make the the swap, I cheaper and easier with this kit.

[noslzzp]

I had thought about the EZ30 but I seem to remember hearing that the wiring/ ECU part of the install could be very difficult so I decided against it.My G50 is going off for a health check soon so hopefully I will have no problems.I have managed to get my hands on a second hand Quaife LSD its brand new in the box and has never been installed.To say I am happy with this purchase is an understatement as I only paid £500 for it :D a lot of dosh but they are over£1200 now so I had to have it.

I love the look of your ghia,that is gonna be some car when your finished,I will be checking how your getting on.Unfourtunately at the moment I can't do a lot on my car due to a pending court case,so I am collecting and cleaning parts and doing more research.


The ECU options are really no different than the Subaru 4-cylinders. I love the way Mendeola mounted the Subaru transaxle:

http://www.basilari.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/a-share-subi-4-e1349738199267.jpg

The transaxle pictured is the hybrid geared, reverse pinion setup from Todd. It also has the Torsen limited slip differential. Mendeola built a pretty slick shift coupler also.

Best part about this setup is that there will be no adapter plates or other funkiness. I know you're all in on the G50. Like I said, I've been there with the Porsches and the bills. From past experience, saying "good luck with that" would be an understatement. :)

[rennsport]

I agree with you with my small experience of porsche gearbox...

[graham]

The ECU options are really no different than the Subaru 4-cylinders. I love the way Mendeola mounted the Subaru transaxle:

http://www.basilari.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/a-share-subi-4-e1349738199267.jpg

The transaxle pictured is the hybrid geared, reverse pinion setup from Todd. It also has the Torsen limited slip differential. Mendeola built a pretty slick shift coupler also.

Best part about this setup is that there will be no adapter plates or other funkiness. I know you're all in on the G50. Like I said, I've been there with the Porsches and the bills. From past experience, saying "good luck with that" would be an understatement. :)

You have got me thinking !!! about the subarugears route but ive been looking at the costs .Subarugears/built box.

Gearbox $5450 Australian dollars = £3560 GBP
Shipping $ 450 Australian dollars = £ 294 GBP
Total = £3854 GBP
No clutch,no Quaife diff :(


My G50 £1750
KEP Adapter £ 550
Quaife LSD £ 500
Fitting/clutch aprox £1000
Total = £3800


Ok I have to pay aprox £400 to have the diff fitted but once its in there it is supposed to transform the cars handling/characteristics.

A guy in the UK called Russ Fellows runs a G50 and his street legal bug he uses the G50 I am pretty sure he is happy with it.

This is him putting it through its paces.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMxGmiJJR0
Gotta be one of the best Youtube vids ever :eek::eek::eek:

Thanks for your input though guys :)

[ricola]

Graham, surely you'd ship just conversion kit over for a fair comparison? Subaru trans seem to be quite pricey in Oz and it would save a lot of shipping/taxes..

[Turbonutta]

Just something to muse on... my 915 in my bug was never good at shifting into 3rd gear, i put up with it for nearly five years it held me back on the drag strip and i never got a time better than 15seconds as most of the time was spent locating third...

Any way i sent it in for a rebuild....980 uk pounds in parts alone...plus labour ooooooccchhhhh

makes the subby box look like great value imho

[graham]

Graham, surely you'd ship just conversion kit over for a fair comparison? Subaru trans seem to be quite pricey in Oz and it would save a lot of shipping/taxes..

Doh, didn't think of that Rich lucky someones awake.
.
But I still have to buy a box and get it converted by someone else and then sell my box, diff,shifter.

My main thoughts are not purchase and fitting cost's of the g50 .I have heard great reports on the g50,how it shifts and how much abuse it can take, and they seem good for 500bhp,more than I will ever need.Wally seem's very happy with his and you have one in your cabrio,both cars are a huge influence on me and my build.The box is highly praised by the gt40 guys who sware buy them.From my research I have read that 915 box it is a very different bit of kit compared to the g50 in terms of strength and particularly shifting.

As well as this I have bought my g50 and I've got a Quaife diff to stick in it.After dreaming of owning and fitting a g50 in my bug and now finally getting my hands on one with a new diff is like a dream come true for me so I have got my mind set on fitting it now.

Out of interest Rich do you think you would go the subarugears route if you where to do your project again ?

Thanks for your thought's and input fellas.

[Birdman69]

I've spent a many hours in Wallys car and it's got soooo much power it needs the G50.
I just drove Steve C's car and it felt fantastic with the G50.
I think the bottom line is that the G50 is the ultimate solution (they shift much betteer that a 901/915) and the subi box is for those that cant do a G50 conversion. like my self.

Steve and I were having a beer with the guy that runs Vforce and he joked that he went to pick up a G50 the other day and he thought it was bolted to the floor!!!

[Wally]

I've spent a many hours in Wallys car

Yeah, you did and it was great having you around mate!

Steve and I were having a beer with the guy that runs Vforce and he joked that he went to pick up a G50 the other day and he thought it was bolted to the floor!!!
:lmao: yeah, thats probably true as well, but all that weight relates to strength and reliability I'm tempted to think ;)

BTW about costs; I bought my G50 for about 1500 and have never needed to open her op despite all the abuse. Shifter and linkage a few hundred and thats basically it.

Funny thing is I also had the 1200 type 1 turbo'd engine in there and it didn;t feel out of place in there either. I might even bolt a 36hp engine to it next year for a complete cult-shock :D

[ricola]

I'm glad I have gone with the G50 and would do the same again for my power levels. If I was running a stock engine it would make a lot of sense to go subarugears. Also agree with the above comments about 915 shift quality, G50 is much nicer!

[graham]

I have decided to leave thread until my legal case is sorted, as I have issued court proceedings against the original company that fitted my engine and gearbox.

[ricola]

For info, my short-nose G50 is 70mm forwards and 50mm up IIRC and the cam covers are very close... I wouldn't want to go any further forwards than that or the CV angles would get a bit high.