Silly thread but if you had the money???

[Michael Ghia]

What engine would you have built for your bug if you had enough money to say... "just build it!"

And would you stay with VW power??? I mean... VW, not porsche, not wasserboxer.... Good old Aircooled power!
:D:D



I'd have a 2276cc T1 with 48IDA's, 30hp tinwear, old skool type of thing on the outside but real trick inside with huge headwork on stock castings, high comp ratio so it'd be running on 98 Oct or more... a screamer :)


What would you choose?

Mike Ghia

[Alex]

Holzapfel enigne.......

but I have to say I am very happy with what I am doing currently.

Alex

[Racelook]

Don't blame me for not knowing the specific technical measurments of cilinderheads, etc.

I would make a 2,7 or a 2,9 L enigne.. ... with trottlebodys.. digital egnition.. G-loader and maybe some kind of turbo... I like the sound of the dumpvalve

But yeah i dont have the money (and not yet the technical nolegh) soo this would be a verry verry verry far future plan..

Greetings Wiebrand

[vujade]

Turbo charged, Fuel Injected, Intercooled 2.6L T4 with Nickies

Everything that could be cryoed or ceramic coated would be.

[samcat]

Hmmm. Money (and time) no object.

Late model 1303, porsche bits all around (suspension/brakes) Power steering, Traction control and ABS, mid engined porsche flat 6 (from a 911 turbo) mated to a 6 speed box with paddle shifting....

Could REALLY confuse people at shows with the bonnet AND boot open, no engine visible :D

Cya,
Sam C

[Rob]

If money was no object, I'd would build something along the lines of that GL bus that was posted a while ago, but using a bug.

Late model porsche turbo engine, brakes, etc....

Come to think of it, just buy a Porsche and slap a Bug body on it..... :D :D :D

Rob.

[Tim]

Mike said "not Porsche".

If it has to be Type 1, mine will be 94mm p/c (nickies), 84mm flanged crank, radical ported S/E or S/F heads, web cam 86C?, 13:1 c.r., EFI with electromotive engine management and distributorless ignition, dry sump. Can I use Porsche fan?


Tim

[NYBugman1972]

Turbo T4, 2.6L or above displacement, digital FI, all kinds of high tech bits in there like titanium and what have you.

Tube chassis, coil overs at all 4 corners, 993 turbo brakes, Quaife 6-speed gearbox. Or, to take a page from good ol' Superman's dream book, Vanagon synchro drivetrain.

All crammed into a Super beetle.

[Sandeep]

My dream engine would be a T4 (82mm x 102mm nickies = 2680cc) with funding to get me a set of prototype 'Porkies' with highest porting level. Titanium and 'Unobtanium' internals for sure ! :D. Electronic EFI would be in the mix too.

And I would hook this up to a 6 speed sequential Hewland gearbox.

Now let me check those lottery #'s again :hehehe:

Sandeep

[samcat]

Originally posted by Tim
Mike said "not Porsche".
Tim

No,
Mike asked if u would stay with Vw or go to porsche or what....

So :p

;)
Cya,
Sam C

[Tim]

Oh sorry! I love both VW and Porsche, aircooled.

Time to go to bed and have a nice sweet dream!

Tim

[Michael Ghia]

WOW, what a response... I thought I was the onle one with these kind of dreams for my bug :)
Looks like we're all heading in the same direction....
Ok back to that dream.... see you at qualifing :D:D:D

MG

[petevw]

Originally posted by Tim


If it has to be Type 1, mine will be 94mm p/c (nickies), 84mm flanged crank, radical ported S/E or S/F heads, web cam 86C?, 13:1 c.r., EFI with electromotive engine management and distributorless ignition, dry sump. Can I use Porsche fan?


Tim

hmmmm....:) :) :)

if i were to do it again....i would have to agree with Alex --->Holzapfel enigne :silly:

[Rob]

Heheheh, Pete, maybe you should offer him a test-drive ?? ;)

Rob.

[petevw]

true, but HONG KONG would be quite the trip!:D

[kdanie]

I would do a really big type 4 with all the trick tech available like cryo, coatings, nickies, custom forged rods/pistons, trick euro heads, light weight valve train, carbon fiber valve covers and 911 shroud, supercharger/intercooler and fire it with a programable EFI/ignition. Bolt it to a 915 5 speed and have a ball... (until my DL is suspended...)
ken

[Michael Ghia]

Ok, I've had a quick search on the internet... what is a Holzapfel engine? I've never heard of anything like this....
Or is there a joke hidden in here somewhere? :)

MG

[Tim]

Hi petevw,

No problem for me to take a trip to Toronto. Let me go back to the dream. See ya!

Tim:D

[petevw]

i've seen the motor, but i can't find a pic.
this is the only info i found.
i believe Alex has pics.

Holzapfel-Tuning
Rolf Holzapfel
(Motorentuning und Teile für Käfer)
Böblinger Strasse 5
71229 Leonberg
Tel (07152) 394400
Fax 394401
Holzapfel-Tuning@t-online.de

3rd in this race
http://www.uhsport.de/tabellen/tab2a.htm


http://www.competition43.de/vw.htm

http://www.memory-corner.de/dc13okt.htm

http://www.rennsportfotos.de/rennspor.htm

[Shadowbug]

2.4L Type 4, with a set of cut down 911 heads
programmable fuel injection and quad throttlebodies

micropolished internals and B.A.S. Beetle Cup exhaust system
all tucked nicely into my '54 oval.

for cooling I'd have to go with One of Jake's 911 setup still in development, in carbon fibre.

mated to a porsche AWD Box

[vujade]

here is another option os money was no object :D

http://www.glenn-ring.com/temp/911-4_2.jpg

[Alex]

I am not sure if my data is correct but here I go anyways:

The Holzapfel engine is based on the T4 with 993 heads with EFI.
Pics are in the engine gallery. Dr Gerold's Race Super has the engine in the back. In race trim the engine produces 280hp for the street I believe it was about 250hp. This is a NA engine.

Pics are in the gallery here at Germanlook :D ....where else:

http://www.germanlook.com/Functions/ViewImage.php?ImageFile=../Images/0064.jpg

http://www.germanlook.com/Functions/ViewImage.php?ImageFile=../Images/0065.jpg

Another option would be a 2.6-2.8 T4 with Apfelbeck heads (pic in the engine gallery) ...if you find them. Two T4s with them reached the 100hp per liter mark. Those are the only T4s that had those heads as far as I know.



Alex

[Michael Ghia]

Ahhhhh, so thats it.

I had seen pics of it but didn't know it was called that.

Nice motor... nice amount of bhp... :)

MG

[yetibone]

You nailed it vujade! The engine in that pic is what I would want!


Who wants to chip in on the "Buy Yeti a Trick Type IV Fund"?:silly:


Back to reality, I'll settle for a 2.3 with Dell's:rolleyes:


Yetibone

P.S.
I know it's out of Mike's criteria, but I hatched a truly whacked out Beetle drivetrain idea from a car I had to work on Thursday...

500cid Cadillac V8, TH425 Transaxle; straight from the Battleship Eldorado!:toilet:

(ok... so mabye that was a bad dream)

[vujade]

Yeti,do you know that engine is?

thats a 4 cylinder 911 engine.
they cut out the two center cylinders.
pretty sweet !

[chigger]

I would run a 69mm crank with 94mm cylinders forged crank wedge mated, forged aluminum rods and pistons, heads adapted off a twin cam four valve cylinder 911 motor with true hemispherical chambers. Ceramic on the heads and pistons, supercharger with intercooler, and hilborn fuel injection. EFI with four 54mm throttle bodies for the street. A modified EFI to inject a methanol water mixture to control head temperature with a 911 fan. A six speed lds with paddle shifters. Home made exhaust with supertrapp tunable mufflers, fully programable MSD ignition system so I could shift with out lifting the throttle. A thirty gallon gas tank so I could go to the store and back without having to stop for gas.
Big sigh! Ain't gonna happen.





Stress is having to write a Harry Potter romance story and keep it G-rated so your kids can read it. Futher stress is when you did such a good job on the first one you are asked to write three more.

[Eurolook71]

Jeez, now you guys got me thinking about my dream motor, oh wait I'm ALWAYS thinking about my dream motor...here goes

JAKE BUILT 2270 "Z"
NEW case
Remmele Heads
Nickies
CR around 9.5
DTM
Cryoed
Ceramic everywhere
EFI
Remmele exhaust

Mated to (heres the REALLY expensive part, like $10K :eek: , no joke)
a QUAIFLE (sp?) 6speed Tranny

but...If I ever have kids and wanna send 'em to college, I could settle for a 901 5speed :D

oh, and driven daily of course :silly:

If not Aircooled, I would consider the Renesis rotory motor (the one in the RX8) That thing is like 1.3L and pumps out almost 240 horses. Mate that to a 901 (time to call up KEP!!) and see what happeneds!!

[NO_H2O]

I think I would just call Jake and ask him to build that wild/sick engine that he has kicking around in his head(and note books). Nickies, cryo'ed, don't hold nothing back.