TYPE 4 report...

[boygenius]

Well I just got a 2.0 914 type 4 "GA" code with a new DTM stage 3 kit and kennedy flywheel. The engine is in need of a little freshening up. There are no cross hatches left on the inside of the cylinders so I figure it is time for an overbore to 96mm. I will probably replace the cam since the valves were tight and there is probably some wear on the lobes. I want to rebuild it on a reasonable budget, up to $1500.... What are some options for me to consider while parts shopping for my engine...

[zen]

very cool on that deal. leaves you more cash for the upgrades. :D

so is the $1500 more or including that deal? you will have $350-$1000 in exhaust depending on which way you go. is it FI or carbs? some good options there. GO CERAMIC LIFTERS. :rolleyes: $400 or so there.

[boygenius]

very cool on that deal. leaves you more cash for the upgrades. :D

so is the $1500 more or including that deal? you will have $350-$1000 in exhaust depending on which way you go. is it FI or carbs? some good options there. GO CERAMIC LIFTERS. :rolleyes: $400 or so there.


$1,500 more just to rebuild the engine not including exhaust or carbs. All I got was a longblock that was FI, but all that was removed. The Ceramic lifters are a no brainer after seeing all the research, and what can happen with cheap lifters. :bawling:

I checked the heads and there were no cracks between the valves. :D

[zen]

i have a full 914 FI system minus the greneade if you are interested. VKG brother discount. :agree:

[boygenius]

i have a full 914 FI system minus the greneade if you are interested. VKG brother discount. :agree:


Would that work with a DTM.
More custom work. :rolleyes:
I was kinda leaning toward some dual Dells... :agree:

Greneade???

[NO_H2O]

Have Jake pick the cam and send the heads to Ham Inc. Search for a set of 40 Dells. Send the parts to Jake for bal. and build a screaming 2056. :agree:

[boygenius]

Does HAM INC have a website so I can check on some prices. What can I expect to pay for the head labor. I was just going to de-carbonize the heads and lap the valves into the seats to clean everything up. Do I need bigger valves? Do I need porting?

I will bring my crank + rods + flywheel to Taccoa and Give them to Jake there to save on shipping. :agree:

[zen]

[QUOTE=boygenius]Would that work with a DTM.
[QUOTE]

no, i am being stupid. although jake can hook you up on his new FI system he is putting on his engines. $$$$$$$. go with the dells.

[vujade]

Does HAM INC have a website so I can check on some prices. What can I expect to pay for the head labor. I was just going to de-carbonize the heads and lap the valves into the seats to clean everything up. Do I need bigger valves? Do I need porting?

I will bring my crank + rods + flywheel to Taccoa and Give them to Jake there to save on shipping. :agree:

you dont need to go bigger with the valves...
my 2320 has 42 x 36 valves, so Im sure you can keep stock valves with a 2056.

head labour for keeping stock valves should be around $200 per head I would think.

[NO_H2O]

I will bring my crank + rods + flywheel to Taccoa and Give them to Jake there to save on shipping. :agree:
You will need to have the rest of the spinning parts to do a Bal. job. Pressure plate, bearings, rings, pins, etc. There is a list on Jakes site.

[boygenius]

[QUOTE=boygenius]Would that work with a DTM.
[QUOTE]

no, i am being stupid. although jake can hook you up on his new FI system he is putting on his engines. $$$$$$$. go with the dells.


I didn't think so but I was looking at it as a new challenge. :laugh:

[boygenius]

you dont need to go bigger with the valves...
my 2320 has 42 x 36 valves, so Im sure you can keep stock valves with a 2056.

head labour for keeping stock valves should be around $200 per head I would think.


What all do they do for the $200 per head... :confused:

[yetibone]

Probably replace the valves, seats, and guides.

HAM will likely go further than that, and it may cost more than $200. He'll time-cert the plug bosses, replace all the studs including S/S exhaust studs, mabye upgrade the valves, and springs too depending on how hard you want to turn it.

Len has done 2 sets of heads for me so far, a set for my 2270, and a set for a customer with a 914 2.0. His work is EXCELLENT :agree: and very thourough with great attention to detail (he radiused my valve stems for Christ's sake :D ) He stays pretty busy, so count on 2-3 months turn around time.

Go ahead an get in line for the lifters now too, 'cause it took me 6 months to get mine :eek: .

PARTS:
1.7 litre rockers
Hydro-cam havin' 2.0 litre Vanagon rocker spacers (they're solid)
911 valve adjusters (they swivel)
Schaedeck 30mm Type I oil pump
WebCam cam gear clearanced for the oil pump
Full-flow pump cover (if you want more oil volume than the stock filter)
A pair of DRLA40's from eBay carb man in Italy
Linkage, hex bar and filters from CB
Intakes from AC.net (tall one's, for use with the DTM)
Ahnendorp/BAS header, or Tangerine superheader ($$$$)

Ask Jake about some sealing tins if you didn't get any with your DTM, or I have the templates to roll your own if you need 'em.

[boygenius]

Well I will see just what condition they are in after I get them all cleaned up in the parts washer at work. If they need any large amout of work I will send them off to HAM to get done. This is supposed to be a budget engine and already my wallet is hurting with all the options. I feel confident in replacing the valve guides if they are worn out but anymore than that and I think paying for the experience is cheaper than screwing up.

[boygenius]

Well the title says it all. I tried veiwing the price list after I downloaded it and it is in a format not supported by my software. If someone has the pricelist in their computer could you please tell me the price for the 21152 and the 21152E header systems. Thanks...

[zen]

Well the title says it all. I tried veiwing the price list after I downloaded it and it is in a format not supported by my software. If someone has the pricelist in their computer could you please tell me the price for the 21152 and the 21152E header systems. Thanks...

Prices in Euro (I believe you need to take 16% off for taxes):
21152 = 303.90
21152E = 456.39

They do specify this with the pricing though:
"Volkswagen Pricelist for our German Catalouge. Not for Export!!!"

[boygenius]

Ouch, with the exchange rate and the shipping that could become very expensive. Is there a distributor for their exhaust here in the United States...

[zen]

nope. mine was johnH. there just aren't many options out there. check out LAPerformance. FAT has a setup that is quiet pack looking and supposedly restrictive on larger engines, but probably OK for what you are talking about. and then there is Tangerine$$$$$$$, but damn nice. seems to me there is a market gap there for the US. anyone want to go into business? :D

Zen

[vujade]

how about Turbo Thomas?

He makes a nice merged T4 header for around $300 (Type 1 style)
Turbo Thomas (http://www.turbothomas.com/headers.html)

[Panelfantastic]

His stuff looks good!

[boygenius]

how about Turbo Thomas?

He makes a nice merged T4 header for around $300 (Type 1 style)
Turbo Thomas (http://www.turbothomas.com/headers.html)


They look good but with the exchange rate the 225 (GBP) is equal to $403 dollars.

Why do I have to be so cheap. :rolleyes:

[vujade]

They look good but with the exchange rate the 225 (GBP) is equal to $403 dollars.

Why do I have to be so cheap. :rolleyes:


well the BAS your gonna get for $400 is only going to be a header, you will still need j tubes or heater boxes.

that is a fully merged header and its not stainless, not mild steel like the bas.

[zen]

the BAS he was looking at is like mine. fully merged. they have mild and stainless. not sure which those prices were for of the top of my head though. i think stainless is $500.

exhausts are the biggest heartburn i have with the TIV conversion. just not enough options and the prices are very high. really eats into the conversion budget pretty hard.

[boygenius]

Maybe I will find something at Taccoa. Even if someone is selling a mangled and rusted B.A.S. I can fix it up for less.

[yetibone]

I just sent them (Ahnendorp BAS) an inquiry yesterday about a 21152E, and a 21158 which the latter is supposed to be NLA from what I've heard.

I'll let you know what they cost when they respond. Their pricelist says the 21152E (stainless steel 1 5/8" header) is EUR 459.39, and the 21158 (stainless steel "Kafer Cup" system w/1 3/4" primaries) is EUR 1188.57. Airmail shipping is EUR 138.00

One euro is worth about $1.20 right now, so just a 21152E stainless header + shipping would be $716.87

[boygenius]

I just sent them (Ahnendorp BAS) an inquiry yesterday about a 21152E, and a 21158 which the latter is supposed to be NLA from what I've heard.

I'll let you know what they cost when they respond. Their pricelist says the 21152E (stainless steel 1 5/8" header) is EUR 459.39, and the 21158 (stainless steel "Kafer Cup" system w/1 3/4" primaries) is EUR 1188.57. Airmail shipping is EUR 138.00

One euro is worth about $1.20 right now, so just a 21152E stainless header + shipping would be $716.87


Cool. I'm a cheap son of a gun so I would opt for the 3 week shipping for EUR 60.00 If someone were to start making exhaust systems with the same quality as the B.A.S. or other European companies here in the U.S. they would make a fortune... :agree:

[yetibone]

So true BG. :agree:

The only stateside alternative is a $1500 Tangerine header, plus another $700 for the mufflers, which is far and beyond the quality and performance of a BAS system.

That's ALOT OF $$$$ for some pipes.

[vujade]

So true BG. :agree:

The only stateside alternative is a $1500 Tangerine header, plus another $700 for the mufflers, which is far and beyond the quality and performance of a BAS system.

That's ALOT OF $$$$ for some pipes.

especially when its not even stainless!!! :eek:

[yetibone]

IIRC, you can get it wid an aluminized coating. That usually keeps the rust away for about a week or so. :rolleyes:

[NO_H2O]

Tangerine exhaust is high $$. But nothing sounds or works as sweet.

[yetibone]

Hookay, so here's what they quoted me this morning,

21152E EUR 393.44
Shipping, air mail EUR 70.00
Handling, packing EUR 18.54

Total, EUR 481.98
or, $578.38

Mine ships on Wednsday :D

[boygenius]

$578.38 is a pretty good price, not as bad as I was expecting to pay. :D

Although I read over on STF that www.europeanmotorworks.com sells the BAS exhaust products. They are located in California. :D I'll send them an email to see what they would charge for the same header with shipping. I suspect that it might be a little more due to the convience factor.