And you thought "Big Reds" were big

[tom'72]

sweet is the word that comes to mind

[Racelook]

Overkill is what comes up in my mind.





You have to use some good reduction-stuff otherwise you're not bracking but gliding al the way.

[oicdn]

Be careful when approaching intersections and riding when the road is even REMOTELY wet. That kinda braking, without the weight on the rubber for friction will cause a lock-up. I don't care how wide your contact patch is, it will skid. Dry or not.

I was actually one of the people considering 8 pots, but I remembered my CRX with Integra Big Brake kit days in the rain at at intersection with hard braking (residues that drop from the car at stoplights=unfriendly braking surface, which is why when you ride a motorcycle, you're told to ride on the sides of the lanes). My car was too light for the 12inch rotors), and weighed ALOT MORE than my beetle. In the dry they were fantastic, and even then would lock up. And weren't even Porsche Brembo's....

I would be EXTREMELY careful...people underestimate how dangerous brakes too big can be as well...it's the reason I chose 944Turbo brakes...big enough to where I could have better stopping power than all 4 drums and having only front brakes hooked up, but nothing too outrageous for a daily driver. And with the fat contact path of 8.5 fronts and 10 rears, I think I maximized my stopping/friction coefficient. That, and I'm not a fan of stickers on my calipers, lol.

That insane...super props to you for doing that, but just be careful when driving it....

[volkdent]

You've definately pegged the WOW meter for looks, I'm afraid you might be saying, wow, this sucks to drive. They weigh a lot more than needed, so your sprung weight is way up, and they are soooooo much more than is needed to stop a light car that I don't know if they will even warm up! If your doing it for looks, you're on the right path and they look AWESOME! But if you are doing it to drive, I think you might be on the wrong path.

Jason

[lazylongboarder]

Just to let you know that there is no way in hell I would ever drive a 550 hp 1800 lb. rear wheel drive car in the rain. Never mind the braking factor.

I don't see a problem of sprung weight because if you look at the ultima gtr (the fastest production car on the planet, 10.5 @ the 1320, 0-100-0 in 10.3 sec, and 1.176 in lateral G's) has simalar style brakes on a 2000 pound car (it's also street legal), and obviously by the #'s it doesn't have any problems getting around. On top of that, brembo's 8 piston setup is for the front of 993 and 996 cup style cars that weigh closer to 2500 lbs..And my car will probably end up being 2000 lbs., with a turbo charged inline 4, 6 speed g-50, 993 rear end, and these brakes.

I wouldn't have gotten something this big if i thought they would be counter productive. The caliper is suprisingly light weight.

Endless brake company makes a 12 piston, 17" rotor brake setup for the front of SUV's that want to fill up there whole wheels with brakes when using 22's and up. That i might add would be counter productive.

Also, the rotors will be crossdrilled.

Check out how wide the rotor is, 1.3" thick!

Contact patch will be 255/18's up front and 315/18's out back. Anything to get 1.0 lateral g's.

Moto of the German Look Style of tuning: FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. Not the other way around.

[volkdent]

The ultima is also not a VW, and any idea how much the ultima costs? I'm all for getting nuts, but brakes are just one of the variables in an almost unlimited number of them for the project you have in mind. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, I'm just trying to inject a bit of reality. If you are going to give everything you do on this project the same type of overephasis, you will end up with a bug that costs $100k. Look at Bader Racing's Ghia, do you think they make a lot of sales or a lot of money with those? It's awesome, but pricey.

Jason

[Supa Ninja]

Me likes, me likes! I'm poor so i'll probally just end up using my 944 N/A calipers. Don't look cool like the Brembo counter parts but will do the job.

[lazylongboarder]

Originally Posted by volkdent

The ultima is also not a VW, and any idea how much the ultima costs? I'm all for getting nuts, but brakes are just one of the variables in an almost unlimited number of them for the project you have in mind. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, I'm just trying to inject a bit of reality. If you are going to give everything you do on this project the same type of overephasis, you will end up with a bug that costs $100k. Look at Bader Racing's Ghia, do you think they make a lot of sales or a lot of money with those? It's awesome, but pricey.

Jason

I realize i'm putting a lot of money into the car. It's going to cost at a bare minimum of $25,000. This car is actually my first car and I have an attachment to the car that most would think is crazy. I will never sell the car even if i'm in financial trouble. EVER.

I have based a lot of my life in making sure i can make the project go smoothly (aka emergency money in savings).

I expected criticism, but not from other people who are doing similar things to there Dubs. I will have proportioning valves on both the front and rear circuits, as well as the expirtise of Lanner. I have no doubt that with Lanners advise, the setup will be nothing short of well balanced and very streetable.

Thanks a lot for all the input, i'll include pictures of other similar overkill additions to my project in due time.

Russ