Ecotec in Bug, rough mockup pics...

[ricola]

You sure we can't convert you to Subaru? Looks like a huge wing or big standoffs is the only way it'll get close to fitting...

Rich

[Panelfantastic]

Ahhh, but it will be IRS...

Sorry Rich, I wanna see this Eco thing through. It's too long, and too tall, but I think I can get around these challenges and still build something nice. I've got some ideas but a whole lot of time yet before I can start to put them together.



Jeff-

[Racelook]

Hmmz is that the same Ecotecs that is in the later GSI of Opel (Fauxhall)?? Because they don't have an good name over here. The older 2 litres (with cosworth heads) makes more power.

Wiebrand

[Panelfantastic]

Not sure if it is exactly the same. What kind of problems do they have there?

Here, it is a very strong engine to build into horsepower. Stock rods good to 350hp, stock crank good to 500hp. Stock oiling good to 750hp.
Many import race teams claim it to be very durable.


Jeff-

[volkdent]

How much does that thing weigh compared to the STi motor? I'm still not so sure about all that weight hangin' off the a$$ end, but it IS kinda cool!

Jason

[Panelfantastic]

Supposed to be in the 275 range, not really sure cuz it doesn't feel that heavy moving it around :shrug: .


Jeff-

[MikeVW]

Jeff,
Do you plan on putting the radiator in the front or do you have another location in mind?

Mike

[Racelook]

Originally Posted by Panelfantastic

Not sure if it is exactly the same. What kind of problems do they have there?
Jeff-

Not really big problems or so, but just less horsepower in stock form than the older ones.

Wiebrand

[Axl R]

Originally Posted by Racelook

Hmmz is that the same Ecotecs that is in the later GSI of Opel (Fauxhall)?? Because they don't have an good name over here. The older 2 litres (with cosworth heads) makes more power.

Wiebrand

I am a mechanic for GM , and this engine is big in alot of their smaller cars (Cobalt/Pursuit/Ion , Soltice/Sky , G6/Malibu , Sunfire/Cavalier , etc.) . I have to admit , this is a good engine , with very little actual problems . It is not a very high horsepower engine in stock form , though (about 150hp for the 2.2 , 177hp for the 2.4 , and over 200hp for the 2.0 supercharged) . Personally , I agree with Ricola , a Subaru engine probably would be a better choice for fit and for hp output , but its your car . I hope it all works out for you . Axl .

[Mikey]

I'm doing a suby myself. And I really like how much less that ecotec hangs down vs the subaru. I don't think any of us are trying for super big hp numbers. The stock forms of all the water cooled engines we're using is more than enough power for our little cars. I like the ecotec myself. I'd use it if I could get one for a good deal.

Originally Posted by Axl R

Personally , I agree with Ricola , a Subaru engine probably would be a better choice for fit and for hp output.

One more thing, my bad for stating the obvious about the deck lid not fitting. After I posted it I was like,"hmm, that's not totaly obvious." I'm going to post a suggestion on Volksdent's brake thread next.

[PJLOval]

I saw somthing on here mentioning relocating the transaxle forward. How far out of alignment is safe with a CV type setup? I would imagine keeping everythink on the axle centerline would be optimal but as long as the cv is not at too extreme of an offset the only down side might be a bit shorter service life of the CV? I always look at those Baja cars with the long trailing arms and extreme angles on the axles and if they can make it work there it should be doable.

[Panelfantastic]

Originally Posted by Mikey

I'm doing a suby myself. And I really like how much less that ecotec hangs down vs the subaru. I don't think any of us are trying for super big hp numbers. The stock forms of all the water cooled engines we're using is more than enough power for our little cars. I like the ecotec myself. I'd use it if I could get one for a good deal.



One more thing, my bad for stating the obvious about the deck lid not fitting. After I posted it I was like,"hmm, that's not totaly obvious." I'm going to post a suggestion on Volksdent's brake thread next.

The big tradeoff for not hanging down is being top heavy, a couple folks have pointed out my balance may suffer.
WHO'S not going big hp?!? Scored a set of H-beam rods already and watching for a deal on some low-comp slugs for the ends of them.
Be careful over on dents threads, he's kinda picky ...


PJ, don't know if you've seen this chart before...
understand what you're saying, shouldn't matter if they are high angle down or back as long as it was within the safe angle.
http://www.blindchickenracing.com/Ho...joints_101.htm

Jeff-

[volkdent]

Originally Posted by Panelfantastic

....Be careful over on dents threads, he's kinda picky ...

Jeff-

Yes, I'm VERY sensitive!

Jason